From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V4 #171 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Friday, 14 June 1996 Volume 04 : Number 171 In this issue: Re: Chicken Leg Bones David Gille's new flock Re: Macaw Chat Location Bird Chat Rooms Bird Theft Re: Macaw Chat Location Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher Re: Laughing-Bird Joke Berries Re: An Apple A Day Re: your mail Re: Chicken Leg Bones Re: Toucans Re: bird harness New Baby At Debi's House! Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher Re: air filters Re: Chicken Leg Bones Re: David Gille's new flock See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Lindquist Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:31:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Chicken Leg Bones > Sinbad loves Chicken Bones. I make him fried chicken drummets and he eats >the meat and then chews the marrow out. As a matter of fact thats what I fed him >for lunch today out in the pine tree. > Sincerely, > jOHN & sINBAD John- I don't think it's the best diet for your bird to be eating "fried food" It carries much to much fat ..We give our bird chicken bones but with as little fat as possible. Thanks for sharing your experiences about your bird.......... Mark , Cynthia & "Charlie" ------------------------------ From: bwm115@psu.edu (Bradley Moulton) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:49:57 -0400 Subject: David Gille's new flock Would that be in the form of Hunts or Heinz? ~THE DAVE & MILO SHOW... featuring the talented Claude H. McCaw. Directed by.............. "Flip"[the bird] (TAG) Written by............... Thoephanese The Poet (Quaker) Stuntbird................. Roscoe DeBonaire (B&G) Creative Consultant.. TieDye Lucy (Sun Conure) Set Designs............ Bud The WonderCat (Alley Cat) Soundtrack............. Detlef (S. African musician in Dave's studio) ***Performed before a live audience in Wilmywood Studios*** Imagine my suprise when I was browsing thru my husband's list (I hear it's been kinda "hot" lately) and I see this HUGE signature from Dave Gille. When did you adopt all of these new birds? Or is this just your wish list? Talk to ya later Jodie-via Brad's email ------------------------------ From: "J.Powell" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:41:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Macaw Chat Location At 04:10 PM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >Here is the location of a really cool Space Station where we could all >meet and chat live using our avatars. It would be fun to carry on a discussion >about Macaw's with some of the experts. Download Worlds Chat and try it out and >maybe we can use this list to announce a time and room to meet. > > Sincerely, > > John & Sinbad > > > >http://www.worlds.net/vworlds/download.html > > Unfortunately not everyone can run Worlds Chat. It requires a minimum of 8 mgs RAM and a high end 486 or better. I use it every so often. You'll find me there as Heaven. Jennifer Powell Exys reg'd http://www.osha.igs.net/~powell Those that live life trying to please others are not really living life at all. ------------------------------ From: "Barry Thaxton" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:34:30 -0400 Subject: Bird Chat Rooms There has been some interest in a place to chat about macaws, etc. I have an irc server sitting here know one is using. The address is irc.newwave.net. Feel free to startup #macaws, #parrot, #birdpoop or whatever. Barry ------------------------------ From: Alys Esmond Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:00:12 -0500 (GMT-0500) Subject: Bird Theft FOr any of you in Canada, You may have heard that the Super Pet in Bramalea, Ontario was broken into in the early AM June 13. The bird room was cleared of all the large babies, including a GW, MM, 2wk old Greys (!!!!!), a red lory, and many others. In fact, the only large bird left was the Hyacinth (YEAH! Gonzo's OK). The good news is, not only were they "bird people" in that they stole appropriate containers and took the feeding schedule, BUT (this is the really good news), the birds were found abandoned in a breeder's driveway in the early evening. Hooray! Big Poopies on the bird theives! BTW-a young Umbrella Cockatoo was stolen from the Pet Paradise in Centre Point Mall (Yonge and Steeles, Toronto) ~9PM the same day. Probably a copycat. IF YOU HAVE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE TWO ROBBERIES PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT birdnut@ils.net. Not that we're hopeful, but you never know! ------------------------------ From: "John O. Hightchew" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:09:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Macaw Chat Location J.Powell wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Here is the location of a really cool Space Station where we could all > >meet and chat live using our avatars. It would be fun to carry on a discussion > >about Macaw's with some of the experts. Download Worlds Chat and try it > out and > >maybe we can use this list to announce a time and room to meet. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > John & Sinbad > > > > > > > >http://www.worlds.net/vworlds/download.html > > > > > Unfortunately not everyone can run Worlds Chat. It requires a minimum of 8 > mgs RAM and a high end 486 or better. I use it every so often. You'll find > me there as Heaven. > Jennifer Powell > Exys reg'd > http://www.osha.igs.net/~powell > > Those that live life trying to please others are not really living life at all. Dear Jennifer, What time will you be there and what room and I'll chat with you I'll logon as Sinbad to make it easy. Sincerely, John & Sinbad ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher Snakes are a natural enemy of most birds. Your macaw doesn't understand that Gnasher is a friendly little critter, just that he's a snake, and therefore, deserving of death. Other pets (dogs, cats, mice, etc.) PROBABLY wouldn't be treated so badly. Hedghogs, either. Snakes and birds simply don't mix. I can't think of a time when they have. BUT - that doesn't mean you can't have both. You just have to keep them separate. Sorry about that. Peace ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson sblake@ro.hcfa.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Laughing-Bird Joke Berries Of COURSE he likes the juice. It has more flavor - and it's sweeter. BUT - be careful with citrus. Only a little should be given to a macaw, ever. No more than a little piece of orange or tangerine, and no more than once a week. Boil Sinbad's water. If you want to feed him juice, try some apple juice - - but only a tiny bit. Too much sugar. Given the option, though, he'll go for the sweet and flavorful over plain water. I think you're gonna be one of the best parrot parents that ever lived, John! ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson sblake@ro.hcfa.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: An Apple A Day On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, John O. Hightchew wrote: > > Sinbad loves apples and tomatoes, especially when they are on a pizza. > He hates broccoli, spinach, he loves cherries, especially the pits and likes the > pits out of olives too. I read somehwere that avacodo is o.k. as long as you > don't give the pits. > At this point, we're not completely sure whether it's the entire avocado, the skin, the flesh near the skin, the pit, the flesh near the pit, or what wlse. We DO know that some part of the avocado, if not the entire thing, can be toxic. DO NOT FEED YOUR PARROT AVOCADO. Please. ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson gh40@hcfa.ssw.dhhs.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: your mail On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Casey Millard wrote: > My macaw Zeke is 4 months old. I am out in the fiels because I do > behavioral observations dealing with parental care in house sparrows. > I was wondering what others do when their macaws scream. I just cover my > conures cage or let him out. Conures are naturally pretty noisey. That's their job. In general, though, the best thing to do is: 1. When the bird is just sitting there, breathing and pooping, give him/her LOTS of praise. 2. Do NOT take the bird out, or play with him/her, while s/he is screaming. This teaches him/her that screaming will get him/her attention. You want him to equate getting attention with behaving well, just breathing and pooping. 3. Covering MAY be a good idea, but I tend to think that the bird will learn that when s/he WANTS to be covered, s/he should just scream. 4. The best response to a scream is to ignore it, and the bird. Give the bird lots of attention when s/he's behaving well, and none when she's misbehaving. This is probably the most effective technique. However, all birds scream from time to time. There's absolutely NO way to keep your bird from EVER screaming. The best you can do is avoid teaching him/her to scream in order to get attention. Peace, and good luck. ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson gh40@hcfa.ssw.dhhs.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Chicken Leg Bones On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 Elaine1865@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I talked to a lady that says she gives her birds chicken legs and lets > them chew up the bones. Do you folks think that would be safe?? You > always hear about not giving dogs chicken bones, etc. > > Elaine Birds can eat chicken legs. Probably, you shouldn't give them an entire drumstick, that's too much. Cut off most of the meat, and hang it in the cage. Cosmos goes through a drumstick in no time flat! The meat is OK for her, and I know she's getting calcium from the bone. It's actually good for them. Peace. ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson sblake@ro.hcfa.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Paddington Bear Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Toucans On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 bdanos@phoenix.net wrote: > My husband and I are interested in raising Toucans. Does anybody have > any information on these beautiful birds? "Bird Talk" had some really nice articles on Toucans two months ago. Try to pick up a copy at a pet shop. They're beautiful birds, no question! Pax ______________________________________________________________________________ | Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson sblake@ro.hcfa.gov | paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." | - Miss Piggy EMail me! | | ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:25:04 -0700 Subject: Re: bird harness At 09:33 AM 6/13/96 +0000, Mary A. Headley wrote: >Len, > >I have tried this approach, and Luvy still managed to get free. Obviously, >I was not exerting enough pressure to keep this from happening. How would I >know the proper point of pressure? That partially depends on how good your reflexes are. If you're fast, you can hold pretty loosely and still clamp down fast enough to do the job. As to how hard, TRY squeezing almost as hard as you can. I doubt it will be more than mildly uncomfortable for the bird. Their feet are very tough and pressure applied across a broad area is unlikely to hurt, even if done suddenly and with a lot of force. Len ------------------------------ From: Debi Shimek Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:33:58 -0400 Subject: New Baby At Debi's House! Hi All, I have a new baby Ruby macaw at my house! S/he was hatched 5/4/96. I haven't decided on a name yet. Please e-mail me privately with any suggestions. I like my other baby's name...Rainbow (thanks Sybil!)...and would like something along the same line. Current candidates are Sapphire and Starfire. TIA, Debi ------------------------------ From: "John O. Hightchew" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:37:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher Paddington Bear wrote: > > Snakes are a natural enemy of most birds. Your macaw doesn't understand > that Gnasher is a friendly little critter, just that he's a snake, and > therefore, deserving of death. Other pets (dogs, cats, mice, etc.) > PROBABLY wouldn't be treated so badly. Hedghogs, either. > > Snakes and birds simply don't mix. I can't think of a time when they > have. BUT - that doesn't mean you can't have both. You just have to > keep them separate. > > Sorry about that. > > Peace > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > | > Stephe Blake | "One cannot be too thin or too rich." > pbear@interealm.com | - Wallis Simpson > sblake@ro.hcfa.gov | > paddington.bear@glib.org | "Never eat more than you can lift." > | - Miss Piggy > EMail me! | > | It Looks like Gnasher will be alright. When I get my Web Page up I'll include photo of him and my other pet Necros and Jean-Claude the Siamese fighting fish. I did find out how Sinbad reacts to kitty's when i took Sinbad over to a friends house. He trys to tease and coax the kitty into reach of his beak. When I held the kitty Sinbad had a fit and charged like a Mother Goose charges you if you get near her babies. I was forced to put the cat down immediatly and then Sinbad calmed down. I think he was after blood and might have taken off the kitty's paw if he could. I think Sinbad would make a good guard bird. Last night my friend spent the night and Sinbad was not aware of what we were doing because we did it in the bedroom. This morning when they got up before me and walked out to the living room Sinbad Started Screaming fiercely. I guess I don't need to worry about prowlers. I did not know Macaws were so possessive and protective more so than a Rottweiler. Sincerely, John & Sinbad ------------------------------ From: Nancy Strong Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:36:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Sinbad Attacked Gnasher William Malacarne wrote: > > At 23:43 6/13/96 -0700, Sybil Erden wrote: > >You must keep your bird away from any reptiles and wash your hands before > >handling the bird!!! The bacterial differences between them can be deadly, > >at least to the bird! > > Sybil > > Reptiles all carry salmonella which is not a good item to have if you are a > bird, including the gecko's which were discussed earlier, I believe on > another list. Not all birds will get sick with it just as they don't with > e-coli, but if a bird has a stress problem or what ever it really gives the > bad guys a chance to take a hold. > > Bill In defense of Sinbad's actions, if Sinbad had bitten a snake near his owner in the jungle where he came from, he would have been thanked a hundred times over. In fact, if he would have protected me from a snake anywhere, he would be my hero forever. Sinbad didn't know the snake was another pet. - -- Nancy nstrong@deltanet.com ------------------------------ From: Dave Pesec Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:47:35 EST Subject: Re: air filters ** Reply to note from "Graham, Sherry" 06/13/96 6:07pm > Sender: owner-macaws@ns.newwave.net > Precedence: bulk John wrote: > >I was thinking of getting a water purifier. Do you know of one that will >kill the buggies without adding tons of poisonous chlorine? I see ads for >lots of >them but the hard-sell tactics and price make me wary of getting ripped >off. >Also I was thinking of getting an air purifier. Although I live within >walking >distance of Golden Gate Park and close to the Ocean various fumes from >cooking and >dust from antique piano's could cause problems. I have a Pure Air system filter (Bird Talk has an add for them), I really haven't noticed any difference. For Water I have a Reverse Osmosis system. This should provide almost pure water. Dave Team OS/2 "M2 Fan Club" Yoda (M2, aka Pink chicken), Obie (GSC), Kantau(CAG), Doc(Sun Conure), Kermit(Quaker) Sheba & Cassie (Black Labs), October(Cat), and six geckos(aka da Bug Catchers) ------------------------------ From: Karen Hanegan Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:06:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Chicken Leg Bones I have been giving Big Bird, the U2, chicken bones for quite some time (about one or two times a month, whenever we've had chicken for dinner) with no ill effects. She just gets the larger bones - i.e., thigh bones, leg bones - and she *loves* cracking them apart to get at the marrow. If it's a bone I've been chewing on beforehand, I nuke it for a few seconds first to try to avoid transferring bacteria from my mouth to her. The reason you don't give chicken bones to dogs, etc., is that they might splinter & the way they eat, just gulping stuff down, is liable to perforate their throats, etc. - at least that's my understanding. But Big Bird attacks the chicken bones the same way she would a nut - it gets totally ground apart, splintered, so I don't have worries about her "splintering" her guts. Others might have differing opinions, but I say - go for it! The marrow especially should provide a good nutritional supplement. Karen Hanegan hanegake@wolfenet.com At 06:16 PM 6/14/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > > I talked to a lady that says she gives her birds chicken legs and lets >them chew up the bones. Do you folks think that would be safe?? You >always hear about not giving dogs chicken bones, etc. > > Elaine ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:01:28 -0700 Subject: Re: David Gille's new flock At 09:49 AM 6/15/96 -0400, Bradley Moulton wrote: >Imagine my suprise when I was browsing thru my husband's list (I hear it's >been kinda "hot" lately) and I see this HUGE signature from Dave Gille. >When did you adopt all of these new birds? I think the birds adopted him.... Len ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V4 #171 **************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" in the commands above with "macaws".