From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V5 #26 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Monday, 24 June 1996 Volume 05 : Number 026 In this issue: Re: sneezing YCM Re: Sickness Peanut Butter Sandwich BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine Re: Rapture? Re: New List Member and New List Re: B&G. whatever Re: #Macaws (new chat channel) Re: Spix Gif Re: Spix Gif Re: Stem to Stern??? Re: Stop Squawk Re: Stop Squawk Re: whatever Re: Dave's Dark Side Re: Dave's Dark Side See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piedcat@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:33:16 -0400 Subject: Re: sneezing YCM Air filters, especially HEPA airfilters, are a good idea. And they can reduce the dust, pollen, dander, fungus, mold, and other crud in the air. This has been a really tough spring in some areas, with very high pollen counts. In my neighborhood, we have had high pollen counts and some days of high pollution. On one of those days, I had an asthma attack, and so did my cat! Last week Bodie was sneezing a bit. So was BobTheCat. So was I for that matter. So were half the people and pets I know. As I said, it's been a rough spring. Also, a friend's bird developed bad respiratory problems, which were solved by moving the CAGs to a separate room and installing air filters. Yes, birds can be allergic to other birds! : D So, a sneeze is not necessarily a sign of impending doom. It still makes me nervous to hear my critters sneeze. It probably makes them nervous to hear me sneeze too! (For years, I had a cat that would run out of the room if a human being sneezed; goats make a sneezing sound to warn the herd, so if you sneeze around them they get all excited . . .). -- Pied cat ------------------------------ From: Piedcat@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:32:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Sickness John, so sorry to hear that you are under the weather. Drink lots of water (boiled and filtered? Just kidding, I think . . .) and take some vitamins and rest up. Maybe wash your hands really well before handling Sinbad. Sinbad probably won't catch whatever you caught, and even if he does, he will probably feel much better than you do. Unless Sinbad has a hangover . . . (just kidding). The cold is not the problem. JUST DON'T EVER give Sinbad alcohol -- his liver is not designed to deal with it, and that could be deadly. I realize that there are people who give their bird a sip of anything they are having - -- but alcohol is serious business. If you love your bird, don't play around with this. I wish you the best. Rest up and feel better -- and get to a doctor if you don't feel better soon. OK? -- Pied cat ------------------------------ From: Piedcat@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:57 -0400 Subject: Peanut Butter Sandwich Yesterday I made a banana and peanut butter sandwich, and I saved a half-inch square bit for Bodie, BFA. She has been begging me, as if for handfeeding, and the regular food just doesn't hit the spot. Well, this sure did -- I guess it is mushy and soft and rich and tasty . . . She loves peanut butter and banana! By the way, how many of you still feed your adult birds mush or handfeeding formula as a treat? Is this something to be indulged or discouraged? So far she still eats well enough on her own, and plays well on her own, but she does want to be handfed too! Also, I love those sweet chuckling sounds young amazons make when they want to be fed. - -- Pied cat ------------------------------ From: Piedcat@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:06 -0400 Subject: BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine [Cross posted to macaws and birdtech lists] In a message dated 96-06-23 17:05:26 EDT, you write: << -----"The Avian Medicine: Principles and Applications" by Ritchie, Harrison and Harrison (Wingers Press) 1 -800-946-4782 is also around $200, but it is the "Avian Bible" of the veterinary profession. By reading it and comprehending it, you will know as much as most vets...and more than some. It is invaluable....just don't be like alot of first year med students and start seeing lung cnacer in every sneeze >> ******************* Isn't Skye putting together a list of people for another group purchase of this book? I got the Virus book, and it is quite readable. I know that I would like to get a copy of the Avian Medicine book too. -- Pied cat ------------------------------ From: UTQL71A@prodigy.com (MS PATRICIA A THIEL) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:18:12, -0500 Subject: BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine I'm sure she is....less of course, she's forgot about in, with the "Big Move" comming up! ;) I want one, too! Trish << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Piedcat@aol.com Subject: BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine Date: 06/24 Time: 05:20 AM Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:06 -0400 From: Piedcat@aol.com [Piedcat@aol.com] Sender: owner-macaws@newwave.net [owner-macaws@newwave.net] Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net [macaws@newwave.net] Subject: BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine [Cross posted to macaws and birdtech lists] In a message dated 96-06-23 17:05:26 EDT, you write: << -----"The Avian Medicine: Principles and Applications" by Ritchie, Harrison and Harrison (Wingers Press) 1 -800-946-4782 is also around $200, but it is the "Avian Bible" of the veterinary profession. By reading it and comprehending it, you will know as much as most vets...and more than some. It is invaluable....just don't be like alot of first year med students and start seeing lung cnacer in every sneeze >> ******************* Isn't Skye putting together a list of people for another group purchase of this book? I got the Virus book, and it is quite readable. I know that I would like to get a copy of the Avian Medicine book too. -- Pied cat -------- Original message header follows -------- From macaws-owner@newwave.net Sun Jun 23 05:20:25 1996 [PIM 3.2-030. 47] Received: from ns.newwave.net (new-wave-communications-inc.WestOrange. mci.net [204.70.65.114]) by pimaia3w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA56710; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:20:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA28449 for macaws-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:58 -0400 Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11. 44]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA28440 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:55 -0400 From: Piedcat@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA23966; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: <960624051503_337612516@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: macaws@newwave.net, BIRDTECH-L@home.dc.lsoft.com Subject: BIRD, HEALTH, CHAT: Avian Medicine Sender: owner-macaws@newwave.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net -------------- End of message --------------- << End of Forwarded message >> ------------------------------ From: Piedcat@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:41:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Rapture? In a message dated 96-06-23 20:09:18 EDT, you write: << O, thank Gawd...I was begining to think that the Rapture had happened and I was left behind!!!! Really had myself going for awhile.... Peace.... Al >> ************* What rapture? Curious yet again. -- Pied cat ------------------------------ From: Debi Shimek Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:55:35 -0400 Subject: Re: New List Member and New List At 11:41 PM 6/23/96 +0000, you wrote: >I am planning to lurk for a month or so to learn about the list. I >am considering a mini macaw to add to my parrot flock. >I thought it fair to come out of lurk mode to let you know >about a new list called gratis which is a weekly newsletter >guide to free software & services of value. > >majordomo@mystery.com >subscribe gratis > >Goodbye for now, >Lee > > Thanks Lee, and Welcome to the list! Debi ------------------------------ From: Debi Shimek Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: Re: B&G. At 02:32 AM 6/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Debi >Trumpet is the light of my life. He has adjusted very well to his >deformaties and is hell on feet!!! Talks up a storm-->to me and to >himself. Lucky I don't swear around the birds cause he comes out with >some things i don't even remember saying! >And smart!!! We may have had a bad beginning but he is a good bird, >for the most part. Although he has a temper and wants his own way. He >needs more discipine than any of my others. >He trusts me completely and rolls over when I'm holding him-->I have >to make sure I have both hands free cause he trusts me not to drop >him. This was a game we played on the couch but he likes it so much >and trusts me he wants to play everywhere-->even without a safety >net! >Tomorrow we do nails so I expect one upset and angry bird. I didn't >want to clip them too short cause I wanted him to get a good grip but >he's killing me! So, Out come the grinders and my brave friend >Jennifer is going to help me. >Margaret > Thanks for sharing that Margaret. My spirits are lifting with each message I receive! Debi ------------------------------ From: MINIMACAW@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:20:48 -0400 Subject: whatever sybil... A bit defensive are we??? If you did not want someone such as myself who could not possibly be following John's exploits as closely as you (though I have not spoken with Brother Denny, I have been reading the same mail as everyone else) to reply to your message you should have posted it to John pesonally. I did not mean it as a personal attack upon you (I was speaking about many people including myself in a general manner). Methinks you doth protest too much. Did I hit a nerve?? Caryn (there, I signed my name.... I did not know that it meant so much to you) and Sydney (who had absolutely nothing to do with this post... too busy eating and pooping) ------------------------------ From: Donna Hensley Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:48:03 -0700 Subject: Re: #Macaws (new chat channel) D. Thomas wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > Due to the interest on this list for a chat channel that all of us > can go to, I have started a #Macaws channel on anothernet. > The server for another net is: dragon.ne.us.another.org > The port to use is: 6667 > Channel Name: #Macaws > > There is nothing better than Internet Relay Chat!, and I look forward > to seeing you all there. The Channel is all registered and my nick > is ZeusBird, some of you may have already seen me in #petbirds. > #Macaws is on the same server as #petbirds so it will be convienient > for those who want to chat in both at the same time > > I will go there for a while most mornings and late at night on the > weekends, but since I obviously can't be there all the time I will > have to start selecting persons for op's so that they can keep the > channel running smoothly in my absence (I still don't know how to do > that but I can find out). > > For example this morning just after I started the channel someone > came on wanting to talk about birds, unfortunately not the kind that > have wings and feathers. This person was very quickly banned so as > to minimize the disturbance to the persons who where there that > really love their feathered friends and would have joined one of the > many sex channels if they were in the least bit interested. > > Please respond with any ideas or comments! > > Denise (in Halifax), Douglas (Husband), > Kayla and Cookie (M2's), Yoshi (CAG), > Zeus (B&G), and Lotus (DYHA). > Feel free to respond directly to: > dthomas@mail.atcon.comHi D. I'll see you there and good luck??? LOL..................Donna ------------------------------ From: Michele & Daniel Breaux Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:44:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Spix Gif At 09:39 PM 6/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >Is it not a beutiful Bird! It certainly is a beautiful bird.....looks MUCH better than it does in the picture in Parrots of the World! Michele ------------------------------ From: sybille@primenet.com (Sybil Erden) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:10:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Spix Gif >Is it not a beutiful Bird! I am glad to see it and maybe someday there >will be enough to free into the wild and I can see them in their glory > > > Sincerely, > > John & Sinbad > >Attachment Converted: D:\WINDOWS\PRIMENET\Inbox > John... Everytime someone tries to send my picture files I end up with a mess on my hard-drive. Although I am sure you meant well, you might wish to find out first who WANTs the picture. They take up a lot of room and not everyone HAS a lot of room on their hard drives for large unsolicited files. Sybil ------------------------------ From: sybille@primenet.com (Sybil Erden) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:14:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Stem to Stern??? >Sybille, > >I was going to ask what the proper official way of measuring a parrot was, >and you've just about answered it: Is that tip of beak to tip of tail? > Stretched out? Do you just run a flexible tape measure over the bird? > Wouldn't this measurement vary with the quality and condition of the tail >feathers? > > -- Pied cat > > To be honest, I am not sure if it is beak to tail, or top of head to tail. And these sizes are always "averages" that whichever author has written the book decides is "right". I have two senegals....one is smaller than average...the other is huge! Same holds true for wieghts. I have perfectly beautiful, healthy CAGs. Shanti only weights around 400 grams which is incredibly light for a CAG. Actually is about half way between a TAG and a CAG, but both her parents are wild caught CAGs..... So I wouldn't worry if your bird does or does not "measure up" Sybil ------------------------------ From: "Graham, Sherry" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:19:36 Subject: Re: Stop Squawk cinsu wrote: > I can't help but respond to this post. Everyone here seems to be a >self >appointed expert about something. I disagree that squirting a bird with >water is a bad way to make a bird stop screaming. It is not the way that >I >discipline my birds (mine love to be sprayed). I leave them in the dark >for >a while. It is a form of training. It is highly recomended to keep dogs >from barking it probably works very well to keep some birds from >screaming. You do have the right to disagree. I do not see anything in my post that indicates that I think I am an expert. I saw the ad, it made me mad, I posted my feelings about the ad. Spraying a bird is a form of training, I agree. However, this does not mean it is a good form of training. I can train an animal by striking it whenever it does something bad. This is a from of training, so does that mean it is ok? If a bird is trained that he is being punished when he is sprayed with water, what is the bird going to think when he is given a shower? I said "...spraying a bird with water as a punishment is not recommended. I think we all acknowledge that." I stated that it was not a recommended form of punishment and that everyone knew that it is not recommended. There is a big difference between stating a recommendation and stating a law (ie this is the way it MUST be!). >That is probably one of the number one reasons that people get rid of >thier >birds, they can't stand the noise. We live in a society that to often >throws >away what bugs them. People throw away birds because 'quick fixes' don't work. They have the bird for a few months, it starts screaming, the owners try ten different methods to get it to stop over the course of the month. It doesn't work so they get rid of the bird. They're problem was that they did not try one method consistently over a long period of time. The problem was with the owners not the bird and not the methods. It would not matter how good the method is, it would not work if the owners do not use it correctly and consistently. > Everyones answer seems to be if you don't agree with me then lets >letter bomb or try to get the ad pulled. I thought we lived in America. >There is nothing cruel about spraying a bird. If it works for them then >that is fine with me. So don't take for granted that we all "acknowledge >that". > Maybe a lot of the self appointed experts that I see giving advice out >on >this list everyday do. You are right, we live in America. That gives me the right to contact the manufacturer of this device and tell him that I think it is a cruel device. I posted on here to see if everyone felt as I do. If they do, then I wanted to suggest that we all send mail to the manufacturer. At the very least, we might educate them. They might then find a better way to implement a device to discourage screaming. People send email to magazines all the time to complain about something they saw in the magazine. I think this is why we no longer see the add with two people standing on a travel cage with a bird inside. They now stand on an empty cage. That ad caused quite the uproar last year. If I took it for granted that everyone acknowledged that spraying a bird is not recommended, then I would not have said "I think..." I think perhaps you over-reacted to my post. I do admit that I wrote when I was upset, but I don't believe I said anything inappropriate. Here is the original post. At 06:52 PM 6/21/96, you wrote: > >In the August issue of 'Bird Talk', I saw an ad for a horrible looking >device called stop squawk. It is a software program and some hardware. >The microphone on your computer detects when your bird screams, and then it >sprays the bird with water. > >First of all, spraying a bird with water as a punishment is not >recommended. I think we all acknowledge that. But what if the bird >has a reason for screaming, like it is hurt or someone is breaking in? >And you can never spray bathe the bird again without it thinking that >it is being punished for something. > >I don't know whether to write to Bird Talk and ask them to pull the ad >or just to write a nasty letter to the guy who came up with this >device. It just makes me really mad. > >If this makes everyone else mad, let's letter bomb either Bird Talk or >Block, Inc., the company that makes this thing. > >Sherry Graham >Keith (spouse), Elmo (YCM), Jarren & Pip ('tiels) > > ------------------------------ From: sybille@primenet.com (Sybil Erden) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:31:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Stop Squawk >I just let them scream. Sometimes it drives my SO crazy but he's got >his tv, stereo and guitar downstairs. I find if I don't make a fuss >about it, they soon stop. >Margaret > Andreas, male M2 has recently taught both Sassy M2 and Rainbow Scarlet how to scream. Rainbow stops when the 2s stop, and Sassy knows she is not supposed to shreak. If I stick my head in the door, she runs under her cage and hides silently. I don't know why....I've never yelled at her or anything. Guess she's just a good intuitive little girl ! And Andreas screaming alone isn't too ) bad.... Sybil ------------------------------ From: sybille@primenet.com (Sybil Erden) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:41:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: whatever Caryn.... >A bit defensive are we???(snip) Did I hit a nerve?? Nope...I just have a "thing" about psuedonyms, and attacks.... Sybil ------------------------------ From: "Stephe M. Blake" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:11:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Dave's Dark Side At 06:18 PM 6/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >I also do a whole bunch of characters like an sothern drrawwwwwlllllllll! > Sure came in handy when the car broke down in Georgia! I also do Russian >accents. Speak Jive also. I guess I am just a multi-talented person. Hehehehe..... when I'm in an odd situation, and not sure what to make of the people I might be around, I just go deaf. It's amazing how helpful even Bubba one-tooth can be if he thinks you can't hear him. "Hey, Maw! I thot this guy wuz abnarmel, on account o' hiz haid ain't got no corners to it - but it turns owt he cain't hear. He's OK!" **************************************************************************** ***** Stephe Blake; Rev. Mr. Bird * It don't mean a thing, if it ain't pbear@spieg.interealm.com * got clipped wings.... sblake@ro.hcfa.gov * Shoo-bop, shoobop, shoobop....... paddington.bear@glib.org ********************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Stephe M. Blake" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:12:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Dave's Dark Side At 06:19 PM 6/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >Stephe.... > >Thanks for the moral support...we "men" must stick together! Gads. I sure hope you were thinking of using a non-toxic adhesive. **************************************************************************** ***** Stephe Blake; Rev. Mr. Bird * It don't mean a thing, if it ain't pbear@spieg.interealm.com * got clipped wings.... sblake@ro.hcfa.gov * Shoo-bop, shoobop, shoobop....... paddington.bear@glib.org ********************************************** ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V5 #26 *************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" in the commands above with "macaws".