From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #1099 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Tuesday, 6 May 1997 Volume 06 : Number 1099 In this issue: Re: FW: Nieman-Marcus Cookies Elizabeth E. Re: Internet Message Re: Sofa is outta here! Humor... An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions Re: BIRDS Re: No More Attachments...I hope Re: A BIRD question Re: Jelly beans Re: An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions Re: An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions Re: Macaws Digest V6 #1098 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S-D" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:41:54 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: Nieman-Marcus Cookies Glad you liked it...Stephanie - ---------- > From: Brian R Duncan > To: macaws@exoticbird.com > Subject: Re: FW: Nieman-Marcus Cookies > Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 12:13 PM > > Hey Stephanie, > I had this recipe for a while now and I made it. It turned out to be > really good. If it is a scam, it sure in the hell makes a good recipe!! > :0) > Bye > Stevie > > Stephanie M. Duncan (a.k.a. Stevie) > Brian R. Duncan > and Kids Amanda & Brian II > (B&G) Nikki, (Cat) Spooky, (Dog) Suzi > Kansas City, MO. ------------------------------ From: Steelman21@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Elizabeth E. Sorry you took it that way. I was only trying to let Len know people have knowledge in differnt areas and everyone is just as important as the next. I have been on this list for two and a half years and this guy Len has been doing this since then. Sybil has never acted like that and has great knowlegde and love for birds. I am not going to get into flame wars I was upset and decided to let him know. I do have that right . Maybe I should have been more respectful but I am tired of his rude and crude ways. Anyways sorry if my post came off as being arrogant I truly did not mean that. ------------------------------ From: John & Missy Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:21:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Internet Message Hi, I'm not LEN but here's the info you need. Welcome to the macaws mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "Majordomo@newwave.net" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe macaws Barry45@prodigy.com Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: At 12:22 AM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Len, PLEASE tell me how I can be deleted from all these letters, I >have requested several time but to no avail, maybe I am using the >wrong e-mail address. > >PLEASE HELP. > John - -------------------------------------------------------- Missy (B&G) Heckle & Jeckle (Lovebirds) Rebel & KitKat (cats) e-mail: JCMacaw@vastnet.net : JCMacaw@aol.com :The_Flying_Tiger@MSN.COM Please visit my homepage at: http://users1.vastnet.net/~jcmacaw/ <--------- NEW ADDRESS ------------------------------ From: BIRDS4FUN@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sofa is outta here! Paul, LOL, there is already a fridge out there! He can have the TV too.! Just kidding!!! ------------------------------ From: Doreen Anderson 3365 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:35:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Humor... I had not been able to read my e-mail over the weekend, so you can imagine my horror when my indicator said I had 257 new messages! I was even more horrified to see that many of the messages consisted of what is becoming all too common flame wars.... As I am still trying to wade through all of these messages....I would just like to take a moment to thank Jonathan, David G. and the rest of you who have tried to "take the heat off" by injecting some humor. Doreen Anderson ------------------------------ From: "PAUL A. HENRY" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:08:19 -0500 Subject: An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions I'd like to apologize to the List and to Len for slamming back and aiding in perpetuating the "flame war" Firstly what we've learned from all of this: *You don't buy a bird at a bird show (Regardless of how well publicized in the local media) *You don't buy a bird until it has been weaned by the breeder *Avoid any breeder that offers to sell unweaned birds to the general public *There is a significant difference between a breeder and a broker *Cross breeds are potentially genetically inferior birds (health wise) *While there are a lot of opinions regarding diseases like PDD yet there is very little information easily available to a newbie regarding PDD and other bird diseases. *There is no information at all available publicly that provides any details about breeders and or brokers on the Web. I don't mean there is a lack of breeder websites, I mean if there are problem breeders out there then there must be a way to make this information available without getting sued. At least specific questions could be pointed out that any buyer should ask a breeder prior to considering a purchase from that breeder. Now the question is what can be done to make this information available to other newbies to at least try to prevent it from happening over and over again. Any suggestions ?? We looked at numerous breeder sites before buying our Catalina and never saw any such information. I assume it's a commercial issue. We luckily never had any problems with our Yellow Naped Amazon or Sun Conure, hence we were not participating in any lists prior to the purchase of our Catalina. I have an extra 10mb on my UNIX server I'd be willing to kick in if anyone would care to write the content of a site to handle these issues and yes that includes you Len. Let me clarify that my website is totally non commercial and is simply my way of giving back to the industry that has put the bread on my table for many years and I want it to remain non-commercial, so no ads please.. I can handle the HTML coding and I know how to get it in every search engine on the planet, so if anyone searches for anything remotely connected to the content it will point it there, but I think there are many more knowledgeable individuals that might be able to provide better content then myself. If you don't like the idea of using my server, I'd be happy to give some pointers to any breeder that makes the effort to post the above information on their site, to get it noticed by the search engines or assist with any HTML coding. Paul A. Henry http://www.boilercontrol.com ------------------------------ From: MaryKnapp Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 19:54:05 -0700 Subject: Re: BIRDS Please, Skye, don't either you or Len quit posting!!! I've learned an awful lot from the two of you. I think macaws was one of the first lists I ever signed up for, and I've found an incredible amount of information here. Unfortunately, I've learned to use my delete key a lot in the months since Christmas, but, I'm hanging in there. I really think these lists teach a lot of newbies about the feather babies they have become parents to. I know that I'VE learned a lot. AND, thanks to you both. Mary Knapp >I'm starting to wonder just how much value these lists have anyway, >in promoting aviculture -- the thing we all gathered here for. > >I guess I've said enough... too much, actually, so I'll stop. > >~~ Skye > Mary Knapp, Gillette, Wyoming Owned by Igor (B&G), Zaphod (DYHA) and Bogie (CAG) ------------------------------ From: BIRDS4FUN@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: No More Attachments...I hope David, No attachments this time!!! Congratulations!!!! Gail ------------------------------ From: lisaharv@Interl.net Date: Mon, 05 May 97 20:33:13 -0600 Subject: Re: A BIRD question Glad to hear that Coco is not the only raccoon/bird around. I do change her water several times a day, but ick, it doesn't take long to look bad! Thanks for the ideas on why this is done. It does make sense, I guess. But nuts are hard no matter how long you soak them as Coco has yet to find out! Lisa The Birdlady Donnellson, Iowa lisaharv@interl.net http://www.exoticbird.com/coco.html She was not quite what you would call refined. She was not quite what you would call unrefined. She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot. ----Mark Twain "Following the Equator" ------------------------------ From: LynnDay01@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jelly beans In a message dated 97-05-05 21:55:58 EDT, you write: << Petri B&G has acquired a taste for starburst jelly beans. The jelly beans are small so one does not seem like to much. All I have to do is touch the bag and she comes running >> This has nothing to do with Parrots but.... My mom has a Jack Russell Terrier. Few things are as funny as watching him go from dead asleep, to full speed run when he hears a bag of M&M"s rattle! (I know, I know, no chocolate for dogs or parrots!) Take care, Lynn & Basil (Hahns) ------------------------------ From: Sandra Dobbs Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:47:22 -0500 Subject: Re: An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions At 09:08 PM 5/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > I'd like to apologize to the List and to Len for slamming back and aiding >in perpetuating the "flame war" > >Firstly what we've learned from all of this: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>big snip of wonderful stuff<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bless your hearts - that's all anybody wanted, was for people to LEARN......some of us just aren't as good at teaching as we might be. I'm so glad that you took all the advice in the spirit it was meant, and looked through all the negativity - I know it's hard to do at a time like this. And as for your idea of what "newbies" need to know about buying a bird, I think it's a wonderful one, and would be happy to work some stuff up and put it on Parrot Central - we're not the biggest bird site on the web, but we get a fair amount of traffic. I'd like help and suggestions from folks - between all the knowledgable people on this list we ought to be able to put together some super information. The offer of your web space is very generous also - maybe we could work together on something? We've got plenty of space on Parrot Central, but the more places the info is, the more people will be likely to see it. Sandra Dobbs Blue Skies Aviary http://www.parrotcentral.com/bluskies/ mailto:bluskies@mindspring.com visit PARROT CENTRAL http://www.parrotcentral.com/ ------------------------------ From: Sybil Erden Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:05:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: An apology to the list / Len Z and some questions It is wonderful that you were able to get past all the craziness to learn as much as you have! It is a shame that the education came with such a sad emotional price. But your birds et al are lucky to have as caring and intellegent owners as you and Nancy must be. Syb At 09:08 PM 5/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > I'd like to apologize to the List and to Len for slamming back and aiding >in perpetuating the "flame war" > >Firstly what we've learned from all of this: > >*You don't buy a bird at a bird show (Regardless of how well publicized in >the local media) > >*You don't buy a bird until it has been weaned by the breeder > >*Avoid any breeder that offers to sell unweaned birds to the general public > >*There is a significant difference between a breeder and a broker > >*Cross breeds are potentially genetically inferior birds (health wise) > >*While there are a lot of opinions regarding diseases like PDD yet there is >very little information easily available to a newbie regarding PDD and >other bird diseases. > >*There is no information at all available publicly that provides any >details about breeders and or brokers on the Web. I don't mean there is a >lack of breeder websites, I mean if there are problem breeders out there >then there must be a way to make this information available without getting >sued. At least specific questions could be pointed out that any buyer >should ask a breeder prior to considering a purchase from that breeder. > > Now the question is what can be done to make this information available to >other newbies to at least try to prevent it from happening over and over >again. Any suggestions ?? We looked at numerous breeder sites before buying >our Catalina and never saw any such information. I assume it's a commercial >issue. We luckily never had any problems with our Yellow Naped Amazon or >Sun Conure, hence we were not participating in any lists prior to the >purchase of our Catalina. > > I have an extra 10mb on my UNIX server I'd be willing to kick in if anyone >would care to write the content of a site to handle these issues and yes >that includes you Len. Let me clarify that my website is totally non >commercial and is simply my way of giving back to the industry that has put >the bread on my table for many years and I want it to remain >non-commercial, so no ads please.. I can handle the HTML coding and I know >how to get it in every search engine on the planet, so if anyone searches >for anything remotely connected to the content it will point it there, but >I think there are many more knowledgeable individuals that might be able to >provide better content then myself. If you don't like the idea of using my >server, I'd be happy to give some pointers to any breeder that makes the >effort to post the above information on their site, to get it noticed by >the search engines or assist with any HTML coding. > > >Paul A. Henry >http://www.boilercontrol.com > > > Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, Scottsdale, AZ 85271 http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ Read about "Life at the Oasis" in Caged Bird Hobbyist ------------------------------ From: Fivegates@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Macaws Digest V6 #1098 In a message dated 97-05-05 23:28:05 EDT, you write: << From: "Todd Whitmore" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:56:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Me and my GW (This is not blank) My lesser sulfer crested 'too seems to like ANYBODy with long hair as well. For a 'too, she is rather shy and likes to hide and playh with long hair. I can't blame her either :)) >> Hey, Is your Lesser really HYPER??? I have a lesser hen that is my pet, named DeeDee (she shortened it from Dundee which she used to say) that is super hyper. She was somewhat abused I guess. I got her late in '93 and was her 7th home in about two years. She was about three then. DeeDee was raised by a friend of mine. She was sold to a military (maybe ret'd) family with children. She didn't work out there, so they had her about a year and sent her back to her breeder. My friend then sold her to a friend that was also an officer in the bird club (we all were then before burnout) who was supposed to return her if she ever didn't want her. The story goes that DeeDee attacked two different sets of baby birds and mangled their beaks and this lady didn't want her anymore, so sold her out of the agreement, and DeeDee didn't go back to the breeder like she was supposed to.(I blame this woman for the attacks. A bird that large should never have been left out with babies of any sort. BTW, DeeDee has been around many times when I feed and has never even looked twice at a baby bird) She went to a guy that ran a local feed store. This guy then sold her to someone, and from here she was sold a couple more times, and finally returned to him, the feed store worker. He traded her to a local unscrupulous bird dealer that he owed money to for some baby suns. She put DeeDee back on the market. My friend was really short money that month and couldn't buy DeeDee, and was grieving that somebody awful might get her baby, and that even worse might happen to her than already had. I did have money that month and said Let's look this woman up, I'll buy her. The supposed price was $400, and went up to $700 by the time she heard someone was interested with cash. Finally I got with her and told her, Look, I'll give you $600 (even though the original agreement was for $400) and I don't need the cage, I have one for her, and that's not her original cage anyway, nor her toys or anything. The lady took the money, I ended up with DeeDee the hyperactive poster child. But the buck stops here. She, for all her tantrums and faults is here to stay. She's actually mellowed a tiny bit, but only a tiny bit. DeeDee is not like an amazon that you can park on the couch and watch TV with. OH, Nooooo....She has to have your undivided attention if she is out, or she will A) Tear up something, or B) Bite someone or C) get down and run across the house and then tear up something or bite someone or even pick up something interesting looking off the floor and try to eat it. She is not exactly a cuddle bunny but does have her moments. She lifts one foot and scratches her head and says "Scratch?" and waves and talks a little, and is pretty cute, but will also overstimulate quickly, especially around loud children which she hates and I don't have any of at all, and then we have to resort to time outs. She will do anything to get strangers fingers in her mouth while they are petting her and saying how cute she is and acting like they know something about birds like her.Then she will do her best to break their finger. I always have to warn folks whatever they do don't let her trick them into letting their finger into her mouth. Me she just nips or chews on. She was also, at the second owners, apparently kept in a cage all the time and in an office environment. She will destroy a steno pad, ink pens, or a typewriter keyboard, but not the computer or a sticky pad piece of paper. She will play quietly with a piece for an hour and only mildly tear at it. My friend, her breeder, was so glad that she had a permanent home, that she said she thought it was unfair that the price went up, so she would split the difference with me. I figured literally split, ie halve the difference. Nope. For the next three or four months she had me 50-150 pounds of Toppers best seed for me to help lighten my load, and all she asked was that if for any reason I didn't want DeeDee anymore or found her too much to handle that I let her go back to her. I think this is quite fair. She is an incredible breeder of 'Toos, and cares about her babies and likes to keep track of them. She even breeds Palms legally and belongs to the consortium. Well, let me know what your lesser is like, even if you need to private mail me as this is the macaws list after all!!! I've been off topic long enough!!! Thanks, Barbara S. Taylor Five Gates Exotics Green Cove Springs, Fl fivegates@aol.com ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V6 #1099 ***************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". 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