From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #142 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Thursday, 8 August 1996 Volume 06 : Number 142 In this issue: RE: Car Seat Purches NOT!! Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! Repeat Posts Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: basket@indirect.com (Tina Ashburn) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:49:56 -0700 Subject: RE: Car Seat Purches NOT!! Rob puts Willie (miligold) on the back of the headrest. She perches nicely. When I take Nicki with me (amazon) she tries to sit on the steering wheel! That won't work, so I have to keep putting her up on the headrest. If I could figure a way to car-train her not to poop, it would really be wonderful! Tina > >Hey guys, > >When Curley(B&G) and myself go on trips, she normally sits on my arm >while I 'm driving. This gives her a full vantage point to look out, >there's only about 12 inches between her and the winshield (which is >simular to a carrier) and she is free to move around which makes the trip >more enjoyable for her. Though my arm does get tired sometimes when >we're on trips that take more than a half hour of driving time, but it's >worth it to have my Curley with me. > >Alex & Curley > > ---------- >From: macaws[SMTP:macaws@newwave.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 1996 9:11 AM >To: Macaws-Digest >Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #140 > > > >Macaws Digest Thursday, 8 August 1996 Volume 06 : Number >140 > >In this issue: > > Mrs. O'Leary & Polyoma > Re: Lurker (Red Fronted Macaws) > Re: the Babe! > RE: Dave and Harley > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > Re: RCPT: Re: Dave & Harley > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > Steelmans final decision > Re: Caged Bird > Re: the Babe! > Car Seat > Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws >or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: "Douglas M. McCullough" >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:51:00 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Mrs. O'Leary & Polyoma > >Earlier today I posted an introduction of ourselves and our flock. I >mentioned that Mrs. O'Leary survived a bout of polyoma. > >Someone asked about whether or not she was carrying the virus. > >This is a long story, and I will try and make it as short as possible. > >Mrs. O'Leary was tested for lots of stuff two days after I bought her. >Three days after she was tested the results came back positive. > >I went to the list for help and got it, some of it from people on this >list, >Chuck Sudds for example. Someone sent me Dr. Ritchie's phone number, and >he >agreed to vaccinate our other birds on very little notice. > >Squirt and Bubba were the only other members of our flock at the time. > We >sweated out the time until both birds had their second vaccination and >then >another two weeks. Everyone was fine. > >During this time we increased precautions with Mrs. O'Leary's quarantine >which had started the first day she was in the house. > >After two months Mrs. O'Leary seemed to be fine so I took her to the vet >and >had her tested again. She had gained almost a hundred grams in weight, >and >she was in good feather. We were so confident that she was done with >Polyoma that I had her vaccinated for the virus the same day of her >second >test. The test came back negative, and she got her second vaccination >two >weeks later. > >She never showed any symptoms of Polyoma at all. I know because I >watched >her very closely. Dr. Ritchie tells me that he has never seen a bird >other >than budgies who survive Polyoma ever shed it again. This only covers >about >5 years of observation, so he could not state that she will never shed >again. Neither will I. However I don't think she will ever do it. In >the >meantime she is a very well loved member of our flock. > >Anyone who has birds and visits us here knows ahead of time that Mrs. >O'Leary has had Polyoma. So far nobody has stayed away because of it. >************************************************************************** > >Just 'cause you're paranoid don't necessarily mean the bastards ain't out >to >getcha. > >Paula (Patient Wife), Mac (Retired Infantryman), Bubba & Minnie Pearl >(tiels,) Squirt (CAG), Mrs. O'Leary (Military Macaw), Miss Kitty & Miss >Piggy (cats) >************************************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > >From: Gerald Daumiller >Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:10:31 -0600 >Subject: Re: Lurker (Red Fronted Macaws) > >Al Cooper wrote: >> I'm getting close to purchasing a Red Fronted Macaw from a local bird >> shop with an excellent reputation. I was wondering if anyone had any >> experience or comments on this particular type of Macaw. > >Al, > >We knew a Red-Fronted Macaw that lived at a pet shop we used to visit >frequently (before it went out of business.) This was the sweetest >adult macaw we ever knew. Once he got to know us, he would let himself >out of his cage when he saw us in the store and would follow us around >on the floor until we would roll him on his back and tickle his tummy, >then one of us had to carry him around until we left. I don't know >why we didn't buy him. > >Every photo I have seen of these birds show a contented, happy, macaw. >I would be very suprised if they were any harder to get along with than >any other species of macaw. > >"The Complete Book of Macaws," by Rosemary Low (Barrons, 1990), says >that Red Fronted Macaws are native to a very small area in Bolivia and >that the wild population was severely impacted by trapping in the >early 1980's. Low speculates that there is a good chance the wild >population will recover since trapping has been banned. She says >that they are uncommon in captivity, and does not reccommend them as >pets until the captive population is established better. But she says >that about all the large macaws except the Blue & Gold, and she also >says that the Red Fronts are very prolific in some collections. She >describes them as "nervous but not aggressive," says they "bite less >than other macaws when handled," and that they are "mountain species," >"tolerate cold, wet, and windy conditions." > >Do any of the experts out there know if these birds are more common >now than back in 1990? There are three owners listed on Barry's Macaw >Register at http://www.exoticbird.com/macreg.html Drop them a >line and see what they have to say! > > >Gerry & Marilyn Daumiller ( http://www.initco.net/local/geraldda ) >Goofy (Hahn's Macaw) ( http://www.initco.net/local/geraldda/goofy.html) > > ------------------------------ > >From: Sandra Dobbs >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:47:05 -0400 >Subject: Re: the Babe! > >> >>Thanks for the number Sandra. I just went back to your page on cages, >>but you only list King's Cages. No mention of Inglebrook. Lee >>-- >> >> >Did you scroll down the page?? Or is there a problem with my cage >page >that I don't know about?? It should list several manufacturers.....with >Inglebrook among them.......that's where I got the number to give to >you....... > >Very puzzling........ > > > > Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" > home of Baby the Astonishing Umbie, the > Terrible 'Toos, Squeak the Monstrous > Moluccan, and other wondrous > creatures > > > > > > bluskies@chatt.mindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~bluskies/ > > > ------------------------------ > >From: parrot@execpc.com >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 01:46:23 PDT >Subject: RE: Dave and Harley > >How about hiring someone to kidnap Harley while this bitch is at work, if >she >works, or out. Harley could then be kept with a trusted friend unknown to >the >bitch for a period of time so that it looks like a theft totally >unrelated to >Dave. When the dust settles Dave and Harley could be together again. I >know if >I were in that situation, I would try any thing legal or not to get my >babies >back. Tell Dave my prayers are with him and Harley. >Diane Emmerich > - ------------------------------------- >Diane E., and the birdie crew...Ashke Goffin's 'too, Merlin military >macaw,Sammy TAG and Bingo BFA >E-mail: parrot@execpc.com (Diane) > >E-mail me for info on Captive Blooms, a Floral Freeze Drying company >specializing in wedding flowers. > > > ------------------------------ > >From: gblake@epix.net >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 02:30:24 PDT >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >Lee!! >Please, PLEASE don't even consider purchasing one of those car seat >perches! >The >danger to your bird on an open perch in a moving vehicle is indesputable. > >Transport >your beloved companion in a carrier, and be sure to secure it with a >seatbelt. >The >chances of survival are much greater if an accident should occur. Simply >slamming on >your brakes could send your bird hurtling into the windshield. >Happy Trails... >gail > >>> Dave, how about an answer to my question about a source for car >perches >>>that hook to the back of the seat and have a perch with a tray below? >>> Thanks, Lee >>>-- >>Actually, I have one of the PVC type car perches. I have never been able >to >>use it successfully. The PVC is too slippery (yeah, I *could* rough it >up) >>and even though is has a lower shelf as a "poop catcher", the poop seems >to >>always find it's way to the seat. The birds climb up off the perch and >perch >>on the headrest everytime. >> >>Besides, when I have it hung on the car seat it looks like a baby >carrier -- >>all the young women instantly stop their looking when they see that! >>(currently, its on the floor behind the back seat - out of sight) > > - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^* >* Gail Blake gblake@epix.net * >* Hershey, PA * >THE BIRD SANCTUARY * >* * >* Home of: CAGs (Alex,Romeo,Cloe',Sam,Pepper); * >* TAGs (Timmy,Sasha,'BB',Grexin); * >* B&G MACAW (Maxine); U'TOO (Barney); * >* Vos ECLECTUS (Scarlett) * >* Conures,'Tiels, LBs,EKeet,..... * >* * > just to name a few...... >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >************************************************* > > ------------------------------ > >From: Sandra Dobbs >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:24:49 -0400 >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >At 02:30 AM 8/8/96 PDT, you wrote: >>Lee!! >>Please, PLEASE don't even consider purchasing one of those car seat >perches! The >>danger to your bird on an open perch in a moving vehicle is >indesputable. >Transport >>your beloved companion in a carrier, and be sure to secure it with a >seatbelt. The >>chances of survival are much greater if an accident should occur. > Simply >slamming on >>your brakes could send your bird hurtling into the windshield. >>Happy Trails... >>gail >> >> >So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! > There >IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier >it's >going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would >hit >the windshield! Unless you're planning on strapping your birds' body to >the >seat - it's six of one and half dozen of the other.......In some >accidents >birds have been saved because they were loose and had the ability to >"hover" >during the worst of the crash.....If you're going to risk taking them in >the >car in the first place, you might as well let them enjoy the ride......If >they're not going to enjoy it - then leave them at home! You just have >to >weigh the risk you're willing to take against whatever enjoyment you and >the >bird may get from the ride........it's a personal choice........ > > > Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" > home of Baby the Astonishing Umbie, the > Terrible 'Toos, Squeak the Monstrous > Moluccan, and other wondrous > creatures > > > > > > bluskies@chatt.mindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~bluskies/ > > ------------------------------ > >From: gblake@epix.net >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 03:47:24 PDT >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >Yes, Sandra, YOU are correct-- *it is a personal choice* and I offered my >opinion >about car perches. I would be happy to engage in a debate, however, it >can be >done >without the snide remarks - Come on! >gail > >>At 02:30 AM 8/8/96 PDT, you wrote: >>>Lee!! >>>Please, PLEASE don't even consider purchasing one of those car seat >>perches! The >>>danger to your bird on an open perch in a moving vehicle is >indesputable. >>Transport >>>your beloved companion in a carrier, and be sure to secure it with a >>seatbelt. The >>>chances of survival are much greater if an accident should occur. > Simply >>slamming on >>>your brakes could send your bird hurtling into the windshield. >>>Happy Trails... >>>gail >>> >>> >>So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! > There >>IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier >it's >>going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would >hit >>the windshield! Unless you're planning on strapping your birds' body to >the >>seat - it's six of one and half dozen of the other.......In some >accidents >>birds have been saved because they were loose and had the ability to >"hover" >>during the worst of the crash.....If you're going to risk taking them in >the >>car in the first place, you might as well let them enjoy the >ride......If >>they're not going to enjoy it - then leave them at home! You just have >to >>weigh the risk you're willing to take against whatever enjoyment you and >the >>bird may get from the ride........it's a personal choice........ >> >> > > - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^* >* Gail Blake gblake@epix.net * >* Hershey, PA * >THE BIRD SANCTUARY * >* * >* Home of: CAGs (Alex,Romeo,Cloe',Sam,Pepper); * >* TAGs (Timmy,Sasha,'BB',Grexin); * >* B&G MACAW (Maxine); U'TOO (Barney); * >* Vos ECLECTUS (Scarlett) * >* Conures,'Tiels, LBs,EKeet,..... * >* * > just to name a few...... >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >************************************************* > > ------------------------------ > >From: JERIBIRD@aol.com >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:54:09 -0400 >Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Dave & Harley > >In a message dated 96-08-08 01:44:43 EDT, you write: > ><< > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > > Date: 6 Aug 96 7:49 > To: macaws@newwave.net > Subject: Re: Dave & Harley > > > Was read at 9:49, 7 Aug 96. > > > See Ya......Marianne > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >What is this? I have gotten it several times the last few days, have no >idea >what it is. >Jeri > > ------------------------------ > >From: wemalaca@sowest.net (William Malacarne) >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:38:21 -0700 >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >At 03:24 8/8/96 -0400, Sandra Dobbs wrote: > >>So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! > There >>IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier >it's >>going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would >hit >>the windshield! >> Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" > > > >There is always dangers in transporting our babies. If the bird is in a >carrier and the thing is setting sideways and secured the bird may travel >12 >inches at most and hit his side against some plastic as compared to >sitting >on a perch that is on a seat and going head first into a windshield at >maybe >3 feet. I know if I had a choice which one I would prefer. > >Bill > > > ------------------------------ > >From: Sandra Dobbs >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 04:52:34 -0400 >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >Gail, > >I didn't think I said anything particularly snide............Your post >made >it sound like it was safe to carry birds in a carrier - when they'll be >injured just as badly banging around in it as they would be banging >around >in the passenger compartment loose. Since there is no way to immobolize >your birds' body to a stationary object in the vehicle (ie. belting >yourself >to the seat) then doesn't it make sense to give him as much manauvering >room >as possible......I'm talking about birds that you regularly take for >pleasure trips - not necessary periodic transports. Once a bird becomes >"vehicle adapted" they are much better off on their own......they can >hang >on to the back of a seat with amazing tenacity when they have to....and >if >they're in a pet carrier they don't have anything to grab onto at >all......A >cage with a perch may be slightly better.....but the bird still probably >doesn't have room to spread his wings for balance as he would if he were >loose...... >It's a calculated risk.......some people never take their birds anywhere >with them because they're afraid of injury in a vehicle.....some of us >prefer to take the chance and let the bird enjoy the extra time >together.....If your bird's not an experienced traveler and you're not >planning on making him into one....then probably some type of carrier is >best for necessary trips.....but if it's going to be a daily thing then >he >might as well enjoy the trip...... > >At 03:47 AM 8/8/96 PDT, you wrote: >> >>Yes, Sandra, YOU are correct-- *it is a personal choice* and I offered >my >opinion >>about car perches. I would be happy to engage in a debate, however, it >can >be done >>without the snide remarks - Come on! >>gail >> >>>At 02:30 AM 8/8/96 PDT, you wrote: >>>>Lee!! >>>>Please, PLEASE don't even consider purchasing one of those car seat >>>perches! The >>>>danger to your bird on an open perch in a moving vehicle is >indesputable. >>>Transport >>>>your beloved companion in a carrier, and be sure to secure it with a >>>seatbelt. The >>>>chances of survival are much greater if an accident should occur. > Simply >>>slamming on >>>>your brakes could send your bird hurtling into the windshield. >>>>Happy Trails... >>>>gail >>>> >>>> >>>So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! > There >>>IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier >it's >>>going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would >hit >>>the windshield! Unless you're planning on strapping your birds' body >to the >>>seat - it's six of one and half dozen of the other.......In some >accidents >>>birds have been saved because they were loose and had the ability to >"hover" >>>during the worst of the crash.....If you're going to risk taking them >in the >>>car in the first place, you might as well let them enjoy the >ride......If >>>they're not going to enjoy it - then leave them at home! You just have >to >>>weigh the risk you're willing to take against whatever enjoyment you >and the >>>bird may get from the ride........it's a personal choice........ >>> >>> >> >>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >>***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^***^^^* >>* Gail Blake gblake@epix.net * >>* Hershey, PA * >>THE BIRD SANCTUARY * >>* * >>* Home of: CAGs (Alex,Romeo,Cloe',Sam,Pepper); * >>* TAGs (Timmy,Sasha,'BB',Grexin); * >>* B&G MACAW (Maxine); U'TOO (Barney); * >>* Vos ECLECTUS (Scarlett) * >>* Conures,'Tiels, LBs,EKeet,..... * >>* * >> just to name a few...... >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>************************************************* >> >> > > > Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" > home of Baby the Astonishing Umbie, the > Terrible 'Toos, Squeak the Monstrous > Moluccan, and other wondrous > creatures > > > > > > bluskies@chatt.mindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~bluskies/ > > > ------------------------------ > >From: Steelman21@aol.com >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:53:42 -0400 >Subject: Steelmans final decision > >I just picked up the California cage 40x30 . Its great and much bigger >than >expected. My little girl just loves it . Thanks for all the advice and >help > > ------------------------------ > >From: Roy Epperson >Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 06:26:44 -0500 >Subject: Re: Caged Bird > >Does anyone have contact info for Caged Bird Hobbist? I would like to >try and get a copy. All I've been able to find is Bird Talk. > >Roy > > ------------------------------ > >From: Lee Vogtman >Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 08:28:02 -0400 >Subject: Re: the Babe! > >Sandra Dobbs wrote: >> >> > >> >Thanks for the number Sandra. I just went back to your page on cages, >> >but you only list King's Cages. No mention of Inglebrook. Lee >> >-- >> > >> > >> Did you scroll down the page?? Or is there a problem with my cage >page >> that I don't know about?? It should list several >manufacturers.....with >> Inglebrook among them.......that's where I got the number to give to >you....... >> >> Very puzzling........ >> >> >> Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" >> home of Baby the Astonishing Umbie, the >> Terrible 'Toos, Squeak the Monstrous >> Moluccan, and other wondrous >> creatures >> >> >> bluskies@chatt.mindspring.com >> http://www.mindspring.com/~bluskies/ > >Hi Sandra, > Just checked again. When you click the bird icon to go to cage >dealers/manuf. and get to the "cage page" King's Cages is at the top, >and th th th that's all folks! Lee > - -- > > > |\ > | \ > | \ > | \ > | \ > | \ > ___________| \_____________ > ____\___________|_______\____________\___ > \ ________________________________ \_ > \____\ "Triple Threat" \__\\ > \________________________________\ > http://www.fred.net/lvogtman > > ------------------------------ > >From: Lee Vogtman >Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 08:39:44 -0400 >Subject: Car Seat > >Both Gail & Sandra make good points about taking the bird in the car, >and - as always in life - I will have to make an educated decision based >on the facts in my particular case. > Since my travel time to school each day is only 20 minutes and >consists of backroads through one *small* town (no light) I very rarely >meet any traffic. With this in mind I believe there are tremendous odds >against having an accident and causing my babies any injury. I would >rather have them out, but I will play it by ear, try it a few times and >see how the birds react...and let them decide! > Thanks for the differing opinions. No matter what the final decision >is, opposing viewpoints make us aware of fallacies in our logic on both >sides. > > Lee > - -- > > > |\ > | \ > | \ > | \ > | \ > | \ > ___________| \_____________ > ____\___________|_______\____________\___ > \ ________________________________ \_ > \____\ "Triple Threat" \__\\ > \________________________________\ > http://www.fred.net/lvogtman > > ------------------------------ > >From: David Gillie >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:11:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! > >At 03:24 AM 8/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >>At 02:30 AM 8/8/96 PDT, you wrote: >>>Lee!! >>>Please, PLEASE don't even consider purchasing one of those car seat >>perches! The >>>danger to your bird on an open perch in a moving vehicle is >indesputable. >>Transport >>>your beloved companion in a carrier, and be sure to secure it with a >>seatbelt. The >>>chances of survival are much greater if an accident should occur. > Simply >>slamming on >>>your brakes could send your bird hurtling into the windshield. >>>Happy Trails... >>>gail >>> >>> >>So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! > There >>IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier >it's >>going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would >hit >>the windshield! Unless you're planning on strapping your birds' body to >the >>seat - it's six of one and half dozen of the other > >I suppose you could put the seat belt around the carrier. >Of course, to be safest -- don't take your birds out in the car ever. In >fact, I am having the windows in the house replaced with bullet-proof >glass. >I am also having the house encased with 12" of concrete for hurricane and >secutity reasons. >I have thrown away all my teflon pans... actually, I threw away ALL the >pots >and pans, the stove, the central air conditioning, the refrigerator >(freon). >All upholstered furniture has been burned (it could carry pollen). >I have removed all remote controls, magnets, aerosol cans and cleaning >products. >Each pellet that I feed them is individually sterelized. I only give my >birds distilled water that I boil (naturally, I do not boil the water >over >any flame - I go 200 yards away from the house and boil the water using a >magnifying glass inder sunlight). I vacuum every 15 minutes (the entire >house - including ceilings). >After each excrement, I completely disassemble thier cages and have them >re-powdercoated. No toys have any man-made products in them. >When ever I enter the house, (of course, I NEVER allow visitors) I strip >all >clothing and burn it not less than one mile away from the house. I have a >hospital sterilation chamber that I pass through before entering the >house >and each time I touch a bird and plan to touch another bird. >I have a 24 hour Muslim guard posted at each cage. >I have had the electricity and telephone cut off for potential fire >hazzard. >AND I am seriously considering quitting freebasing cocaine in the house. > >Nothin' too good for my birdies. > >~THE DAVE & MILO SHOW... featuring the talented Claude H. McCaw. > Directed by.............. "Flip"[the bird] (TAG) > Written by............... Thoephanese The Poet (Quaker) > Stuntbird................. Roscoe DeBonaire (B&G) > Creative Consultant.. TieDye Lucy (Sun Conure) > Set Designs............ Bud The WonderCat (Alley Cat) > Soundtrack............. Detlef (S. African musician in Dave's studio) > ***Performed before a live audience at Wilmywood Studios*** > > > ------------------------------ > >End of Macaws Digest V6 #140 >**************************** > >To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: > > subscribe macaws-digest > >in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want >to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, >such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the >"subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": > > subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net > >A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to >subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" >in the commands above with "macaws". > > > > Tina Ashburn, Basket Express basket@indirect. com GIFT BASKETS THAT GUARANTEE A WOW! http://www.banet.com/basket/basket.htm A BATTERY OF WOMEN READY FOR BUSINESS SHOP WOMEN IN BUSINESS THE FIRST TIME! http://www.gridley.org/~imaging/services.html ------------------------------ From: Brad Broadwell Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:10:05 -0400 Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! - ----- Begin Included Message ----- >Dave > >You know you could achieve the same level of security by planting >a small sprig of Kudzu just out side the frontdoor and waiting >about 15 minutes for it to engulf the house. > >Brad > I bow to greatness! I have been outdone. ROFL! ~THE DAVE & MILO SHOW... featuring the talented Claude H. McCaw. Directed by.............. "Flip"[the bird] (TAG) Written by............... Thoephanese The Poet (Quaker) Stuntbird................. Roscoe DeBonaire (B&G) Creative Consultant.. TieDye Lucy (Sun Conure) Set Designs............ Bud The WonderCat (Alley Cat) Soundtrack............. Detlef (S. African musician in Dave's studio) ***Performed before a live audience at Wilmywood Studios*** - ----- End Included Message ----- In the car to achieve an environmentally acceptable restraint system one could could carry a soft plastic container about 4in dia full of potting soil and a spraig of Kudzu positioned above the soil so on impact the Kudzu would fall into the potting soil and grow to a full natural cushion. On extreme impacts a drop of "vita-grow" could also be introduced micro- seconds befor hitting the windshield thus stopping the bird in mid flight. Brad ------------------------------ From: "Brian P. Burke, Clover Systems Corporation" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:12:48 -0700 Subject: Repeat Posts Am I living in a Tequila induced dream or what? Don't answer that! Periodically lately, the digest has included copies of the all posts from a past digest. Is someone using a 'reply all' rather than copying sections of individual post? The latest incidence of this for me was Digest V6 #141. Anyone else noticing this, or is it just my server? Brian ------------------------------ From: "J.Powell" Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 11:22:07 -0400 Subject: Re: the Babe! /Car Seat Perches !! NOT!! At 01:38 AM 8/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:24 8/8/96 -0400, Sandra Dobbs wrote: > >>So slamming into the front of the carrier is preferable?? Come on! There >>IS no safe way to carry your bird in a vehicle - if it's in a carrier it's >>going to slam against the front of it with the same force that it would hit >>the windshield! >> Sandra at Blue Skies......."where birdies come from" > > > >There is always dangers in transporting our babies. If the bird is in a >carrier and the thing is setting sideways and secured the bird may travel 12 >inches at most and hit his side against some plastic as compared to sitting >on a perch that is on a seat and going head first into a windshield at maybe >3 feet. I know if I had a choice which one I would prefer. > >Bill > That makes 2 of us Bill. My birds never ride loose in the car and neither do my dogs or cats. I have seen and heard of several accidents where the car was totaled but the animal survived because it was in a carrier. Another thought....if your bird is loose and panics during an accident how do you catch it? How would a stranger catch it if you were incapacitated? If it can "hover" as Sandra mentions what is to stop it from flying away from the wreckage never to be seen again? What if your driving peacefully along and your bird freaks for some strange reason..perhaps something as simple as another vehicle whizzing past and the bird actually causes the accident??? It's just not safe to allow anything small, animal and human alike to be unsecured in a moving vehicle. 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