From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #1625 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Wednesday, 6 August 1997 Volume 06 : Number 1625 In this issue: Toronto Zoo Re: Keith & Ann Re: Phoenix/time to get organized Re: Keith Re: Feather Tethers Parrots in TX Re: Keith Re: Keith & Ann Re: Cinderella PRINCESS Re: Purina Dog Food Blue & gold wing span?? Re: Cayapa Folktales Re: Purina Dog Food Diane/men who learn to love birds Re: Purina Dog Food See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:45:51 +0000 Subject: Toronto Zoo Jonathan et al Tim Burt, curator of birds at the Metro Toronto Zoo,was at my bird club in May. They have had *so many* people wanting to 'donate' birds that it has strained their resources and they are now NOT accepting donations of birds. However, we do have several sanctuaries.....if people can only find them. One, of course, is Evergreen Acres Bird Sanctuary. There is another in Hamilton that was formerly a castle. The owner willed it to the city on the condition that it be maintained as an Aviary. It is manned by over 70 volunteers. There was some question as to whether it could still operate last year as the place was in desperate need of renovations, more suitable to birds. They moved the birds to an abandoned police or fire station, I forget which --->but city owned, while work was carried out. I think one or two of the bird clubs in that area also help support it and that is certainly where the major portion of the volunteers come from. Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:55:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Keith & Ann Ann There are many cases of May-December love that have been successful and 10 years does *not* fall into that category. You already know that you have birds in common, why not investigate further before writing a possible relationship off out of hand....you know, most women do out live their spouses of the same or older ages. Why not get one who is not going to wear out as fast.... JMHO Margaret you wrote: > Keith if you were just 10 years older I'd be on a plane your way... > Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: lisaharv@Interl.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 09:24:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Phoenix/time to get organized Pheonix is a greenwing macaw, approx. 15 years old. I am waiting now, to see if Carol follows through on her promise to report the vet findings to me. They were doing bloodwork too, so it might take a few days, I'm guessing. I have decided not to send my letters to the humane society or the newspaper until I hear back from Carol. Perhaps the zoo, on their own, will do the right thing. I'll let you all know what I hear. Lisa The Birdlady Donnellson, Iowa lisaharv@interl.net http://www.exoticbird.com/coco.html She was not quite what you would call refined. She was not quite what you would call unrefined. She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot. ----Mark Twain "Following the Equator" ------------------------------ From: ewemerso@colby.edu (Elizabeth W. Emerson) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Keith >On 5 Aug 97, Elizabeth W. Emerson wrote: > >> c ann writes: >> >Keith if you were just 10 years older I'd be on a plane your way... >> >> wow...if keith were ten miles closer he might reach out and smack >> you! imagine the gall.....worrying about age in a potential soul >> mate...what have things come to?????? >> >> ;@}weeßee~~~ >> >>and dave so eloquently spake: >=== and if there were just a few more million bucks, a little bit >bigger boobs, a slightly smaller waist, a few years younger, maybe a >little plastic surgury to fix those crows feet... etc... etc... > LOLOLOL!!!!!!! ;@}weeßee~~~ ------------------------------ From: m.gambalie@juno.com (Mark Gambalie) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Feather Tethers >Mark; >I'm coming in a bit late on the feather teather band wagon as it >were... but, I >was wondering, if you knew of a Canadian distibutor (in Ontario?) if >possible? > >Thanks in advance >Keith > I don't know of any, but I can send them to you. The only difference is $1 more and must be paid by credit card because of the exchange rate. I'll send you an order form with full info. mg ------------------------------ From: Susanne Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:38:34 -0600 Subject: Parrots in TX Happy Dance - as you may know I am travelling to TX via several states in September and my pal in San Benito just told me that there are "Flocks of Parrots" in a lil itty bitty place called Brownsville - very close to Mexican border - Ohhh be still my heart - Now running out to buy zoom lens for camera! Kitten ^00^ ************************ KITTEN May the Flock be with You! ^00^ ********************************* ------------------------------ From: "Renee Feldmeier" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:18:55 PDT Subject: Re: Keith ((((((Dave))))) Good to *see* you. Take care!! Renee ******* From: "David Gillie" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:56:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Keith === and if there were just a few more million bucks, a little bit bigger boobs, a slightly smaller waist, a few years younger, maybe a little plastic surgury to fix those crows feet... etc... etc... David B. Gillie WESTLAKE * CAPRA * PUIG * BORSHOFF Film & Television Partnership, L.L.C. Wilmington, North Carolina USA paradise@mail2.wilmington.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "S-D" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:28:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Keith & Ann Wear out fast? Do they just not build them like they used to, or is it something the women are doing to wear them out? - ---------- > From: tsunami@osha.igs.net > To: macaws@exoticbird.com > Subject: Re: Keith & Ann > Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 2:55 PM > > Ann > There are many cases of May-December love that have been successful > and 10 years does *not* fall into that category. > You already know that you have birds in common, why not investigate > further before writing a possible relationship off out of hand....you > know, most women do out live their spouses of the same or older ages. > Why not get one who is not going to wear out as fast.... JMHO > Margaret > > you wrote: > > Keith if you were just 10 years older I'd be on a plane your way... > > > Margaret > tsunami@osha.igs.net > http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: godseyj@ibm.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:31:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Cinderella PRINCESS Dr. C. Ann Brown wrote: > > Is it JArcher or Jellus or ? who is going to get Princess or is it Rima... > Yes I know JA and RIMA ARe the same person... I'm just wondering who is > going to be the rescuer now... confused (that's nothing new tho.. i'm > always confused) this is Xavier(WK) ------------------------------ From: "S-D" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:37:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Purina Dog Food I had one breeder tell me included "Eukanuba Puppy" in her birds diet. I thought it kind of strange.... - ---------- > From: Michelle > To: macaws@newwave.net > Subject: Re: Purina Dog Food > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 7:06 AM > > > > > >The vet says he feeds his 50 or so birds PUrina Dog Chow as a staple, > >accompanied with pellets, and fresh fruits and veggies. Is dog chow > >really a good choice for the main item in a macaw's diet?? (Beaker used > >to be famous for getting off her stand to go steal some of my dog's dried > >alpo....I figured it was the lure of forbidden fruit...:-) ) > > > > > We won't even feed our DOGS that food,nothing but fillers and binders! Ask > another vet. If you feed your dogs another food you find you can feed less > and have less waste. Same with our cats. > Michelle B ------------------------------ From: BRYENW@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Blue & gold wing span?? Can anyone tell me the avg. wing span for a blue & gold?? I know the head to tail length but have not read anywhere what the wing span is! I did read from one source that it is about 37 inches. ( the ones I have seen this sounds like it is alittle on the big side) None that I have seen looked this big. Also does anyone know the head to foot measurements? Jewel is about 20 inches from head to tail right now. Brian and Jewel ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:18:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Cayapa Folktales Jonathan Do you still have my address? I would like to read these stories. I had a folder set up for "Jonathan's Tales" but with the computer crashes and system problems I've had I lost all of them. In fact, I understand that all of my macaw mail went down to the states when they sent some of my old 'new' puter parts back to the manufacturer. Julie offered to send me the stories again but I have waited as now my server has changed hands and they are experiencing bugs with the system. Margaret Jonathan wrote: > I've finally received a copy of the July/August 1997 of AFA Watchbird. It > has an article on Cayapa Indian (Ecuador) folktales about the Amazon Parrot > and Scarlet Macaw. If any of you don't get the magazine and would like a > photocopy of the article, please send me your mailing address. Please be > aware that I previously posted both stories on this list, so if you kept > them, you already have the material. > > Jonathan > > > Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:18:45 +0000 Subject: Re: Purina Dog Food I agree with Michelle B!!!. Purina Dog Chow is garbage, IMO, and nobody who 'really' cares about the health of their dog would feed it to them. A bird has a much more sensitive system...... I would never, never, Ever feed it to a bird!!!! Margaret you wrote: > >The vet says he feeds his 50 or so birds Purina Dog Chow as a staple, > >accompanied with pellets, and fresh fruits and veggies. Is dog chow > >really a good choice for the main item in a macaw's diet?? (Beaker used > >to be famous for getting off her stand to go steal some of my dog's dried > >alpo....I figured it was the lure of forbidden fruit...:-) ) > > > > > We won't even feed our DOGS that food,nothing but fillers and binders! Ask > another vet. If you feed your dogs another food you find you can feed less > and have less waste. Same with our cats. > Michelle B > > Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:18:44 +0000 Subject: Diane/men who learn to love birds Diane I have found that some of my birds 'insist' on coming out of their cages for cuddle time, regardless of the time. I am an insomniac and my birds are in my living room. When I am up at night, I try to keep the noise level down and the lights off so not to disturb the birds. I do keep night lights on for them and they know I am around. Several of them, including my b&g, insist that they spend some of this quiet time with me. Trumpet starts saying step-up, come on and won't stop until I have him out for awhile. Piper the gw would rather sleep. Lately my CAG, Ditto, has insisted on getting up with me and will sit on my shoulder for hours. He is much calmer at night. He pushes my fingers away with his beak and moves around behind my neck so I can't reach him if I decide, without his concurrence, that it is time for him to go back to bed. And if Ditto is up Dactyl, my TAG, wants up too. Button used to be one of my all-hours birds and make quite a fuss if ignored. Bobbin is a G2 who would prefer to sleep at night. But I notice that she does 'cry' in her sleep lately. Since they have naps in the afternoon, I don't worry too much that they are not getting their sleep. They won't sleep anyway, if I am up and some of them make such a racket and fuss to be with me. It doesn't seem to affect their mood or behaviour the next day. My dogs will get onto the couch with me but go back to sleep. My cats come for cuddles during these quiet times but then put their army boots back on and storm the house. My G2s prefer my SO but he found them too demanding of his time and stays away from them, which upset them greatly. Button is dead now but Bobbin still loves daddy best. In view of this, I told him to stay away from the greys as I believe the G2's did/do some of their picking in direct response to his ignoring them. If your husband wants to take the bird out for cuddles when he comes home from work and the bird *wants* to go to him, IMO you should let them have the time together. Margaret Diane wrote: > my hubby never minded my 8 parrots but never handled them -- until we brought > home *my* new MSC in April. Now, after 22 years of "wedded blisters", I > think he prefers her to me -- says she treats him better, ha ha. He will > even take her out when he gets home from work -- at 11:00p.m.! because > she's calling him. How come I don't hear these calls? By the way, Kizzy, > really seems to love this even when it's only for 10 minutes (cause I'm > yelling she needs her beauty sleep) and will go right back to sleep. > Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:23:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Purina Dog Food Eukanuba is one of the better dog foods but still.....I wonder about feeding it to birds. Although I did get a recipe from a canary/finch breeder who used ground up 'cheap' dog food with eggs, carrots and other stuff as a breeding food when I kept the smaller birds. Margaret you wrote: > I had one breeder tell me included "Eukanuba Puppy" in her birds diet. I > thought it kind of strange.... > > ---------- > > From: Michelle > > To: macaws@newwave.net > > Subject: Re: Purina Dog Food > > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 7:06 AM > > > > > > > > > >The vet says he feeds his 50 or so birds PUrina Dog Chow as a staple, > > >accompanied with pellets, and fresh fruits and veggies. Is dog chow > > >really a good choice for the main item in a macaw's diet?? (Beaker used > > >to be famous for getting off her stand to go steal some of my dog's > dried > > >alpo....I figured it was the lure of forbidden fruit...:-) ) > > > > > > > > We won't even feed our DOGS that food,nothing but fillers and binders! > Ask > > another vet. If you feed your dogs another food you find you can feed > less > > and have less waste. Same with our cats. > > Michelle B > > Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V6 #1625 ***************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" in the commands above with "macaws".