From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #1957 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Sunday, 21 September 1997 Volume 06 : Number 1957 In this issue: Re: Double Yellow headed parrot Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER LEN Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER Mac Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER LEN in-ground pool? Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER Mac Re: BAD NIGHT!!!Cauterizers! Re: Just toenails Re: Bongos Video/was: Ladders?OH SYB..... 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Wilmington, North Carolina USA paradise@mail2.wilmington.net ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:32:53 -0700 Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER LEN At 04:14 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >Len Zielenski wrote: >> >> At 11:44 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >> Hi all...vets use superglue only called Sumpthin else and it runs about >> >> 15.00 a tube. It is used to close a incision(sp) instead of or along >> >> with sutures. >> LEN SAID... >> Liquid suture is NOT the same thing. They are both "super glues" but the >> stuff you buy at the drug store is also a skin irritant. That would not do> to close open wounds. PLUS, it takes experience to know if the wound is >> clean, needs to be cut to clean edges and if antibiotics will be necessary. >> This is ADVANCED aviculture and I don't recommend it >*************************************************** >BOTH contain an irritant, Len or they woundn't bond. Huh? >I stated I use super glue for blood feathers and nails...nothing else. >I mentioned that liguid suture is used for closing a ((incision)) not a >wound. A wound by any other name. The point is, that's the impression many people would get from a quick reading and NOT what they should take away from the statement. .thats what I pay the vet for...BUT in an ((((Emergency))))*I live >57 miles ony from a avian vet*....a bird can bleed to death with out >quick thinking ! Generally speaking, I prefer to keep my birds from bleeding. Direct pressure can be used on most any wound to stop bleeding, even if temporarily while the bird is transported. THIS WORKS for me !! AND FEATHERS DO CONTINUE TO GROW >FROM THE FOLICLE. I'd say, that if that is true, you've been extremely lucky. Folicles are relatively delicate and even repeated plucking can damage them past the point of regeneration. Len ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:34:56 -0700 Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER Mac At 04:22 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >I saw a documentry looooong ago about a parrot whos beak was torn off by >its mate and the vets fasioned one from (bondo) and ground it to a >proper shape so the bird could eat. Just wondering about the fumes >there too. Anyone else remember that ? >Ta, >Warlord Actually, they use dental acrylics, usually with a supporting wire structure. Len ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: WARLORD Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:33:30 -0700 Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER LEN Len Zielenski wrote: > > At 04:14 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Len Zielenski wrote: > >> > >> At 11:44 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> >> Hi all...vets use superglue only called Sumpthin else and it runs about > >> >> 15.00 a tube. It is used to close a incision(sp) instead of or along > >> >> with sutures. > >> LEN SAID... > >> Liquid suture is NOT the same thing. They are both "super glues" but the > >> stuff you buy at the drug store is also a skin irritant. That would not > do> to close open wounds. PLUS, it takes experience to know if the wound is > >> clean, needs to be cut to clean edges and if antibiotics will be necessary. > >> This is ADVANCED aviculture and I don't recommend it > >*************************************************** > >BOTH contain an irritant, Len or they woundn't bond. > > Huh? > > >I stated I use super glue for blood feathers and nails...nothing else. > >I mentioned that liguid suture is used for closing a ((incision)) not a > >wound. > > A wound by any other name. The point is, that's the impression many people > would get from a quick reading and NOT what they should take away from the > statement. > > .thats what I pay the vet for...BUT in an ((((Emergency))))*I live > >57 miles ony from a avian vet*....a bird can bleed to death with out > >quick thinking ! > > Generally speaking, I prefer to keep my birds from bleeding. Direct > pressure can be used on most any wound to stop bleeding, even if > temporarily while the bird is transported. > > THIS WORKS for me !! AND FEATHERS DO CONTINUE TO GROW > >FROM THE FOLICLE. > > I'd say, that if that is true, you've been extremely lucky. Folicles are > relatively delicate and even repeated plucking can damage them past the > point of regeneration. > I tried stop bleed (yuck!! gets in your nose way before it gets on the bird) so we try flour first and if that don't get it Then the super glue. I have reason to believe that there is enough of the flour on the area to protect the folicle...seems to work like sort of *quick Scab*. Tryin' to drive and control a large parrot in distress is NOT cute!! I attemped this once ....and I needed stitches right along with the bird. When I went to the hospital...I was covered in blood from head to toe. They rushed me past others waiting for assistance and sat me down and took one look at the gash and back at me and one tech raised his eye brow to the other giving him *THE LOOK*!!! I needed only 3 tiny stiches. I think they thought I was a serial killer or the like. Its mostly bird blood I told them....THE LOOK again !!! I was sent on my way, but heard one say... So the bird it bit her.... what'd she do rip its head off??? Also tried the BIRDIE BINDER (HA) no good either... thanks kiddo, later ------------------------------ From: "Christina Wallace" Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:15:01 -0500 Subject: in-ground pool? Okay, ya'll: Just had to post this one: >> We can provide loving care and a home that hasl in-ground pool and >> the large cages and all food parrots can eat. Prof. of U.T. Exotic Birds >> is our Dr. for all our Parrots. We are avid animal lovers and have >> refferences from wide range of proff. persons. >> WE will pay all shipping and will provide a #1 home for the life of the >> parrot. WE DO NOT BREED OR SELL PARROTS. >> No bird refused.Vet checked at arrival. This ad was on the Freebies Classifieds on UpAtSix. What does and in-ground pool have to do with fids? tina w. ------------------------------ From: WARLORD Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:13:30 -0700 Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER Mac Len Zielenski wrote: > > At 04:22 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: > >I saw a documentry looooong ago about a parrot whos beak was torn off by > >its mate and the vets fasioned one from (bondo) and ground it to a > >proper shape so the bird could eat. Just wondering about the fumes > >there too. Anyone else remember that ? > >Ta, > >Warlord > > Actually, they use dental acrylics, usually with a supporting wire structure. > > Len > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen > BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy > (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), > Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LEN Did u see the program also??? I can't remember the name or what channel it was on either. Thanks ------------------------------ From: Kathy Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:47:19 -0700 Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT!!!Cauterizers! Mine is an AA battery cautery cost $26 a couple of years ago. I got it from Cage'N Bird, (318) 394-6683. They have lots of interesting things in their catalog. KB Michelle Hamm wrote: > > Kathy, do you know where I could get one? I know I probably won't need it > very often but it may be really nice to have if needed!! > Michelle > At 08:39 PM 9/19/97 -0700, you wrote: > >I keep a cauterizer in my first aid kit. Mine heats and seals almost > >instantly - luckily I only have had to use it once. > > > >KB > > > >Deanna Antomori wrote: > >> > >> There was a cauterizing kit in one of my bird accessories magazines. I > >> will look it up and put it up here. It might even work.. > >> > >> Deanna > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Kathy Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:58:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Just toenails I have one - to be used only in emergencies. Never would dream of using it to trim nails - only if you can't get bleeding stopped using normal methods. KB Michelle Hamm wrote: > > Oh man, it is painful for them?? Okay, maybe I will stick to the cornstarch! > Michelle > At 10:16 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: > >At 09:16 AM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>Where does one aquire one of those? I've never seen one before.. > > > >You can get them from a vet supply, but there's a large and on-going debate > >about how painful it is to have one's nails burnt off. > > > >Len > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen > >BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy > >(B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), > >Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ------------------------------ From: Sybil Erden Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:47:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Bongos ROTFL!!!! You *are* a wee bitt (shall we say ) "off" ?? You know that, ey, girl??? Syb At 02:47 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ooooh, Syb! GREAT idea! Or maybe a marimba! Yes!!! > >Now to go find pictures of bongos, xylophones, marimbas . . . > >Diane Welch >Webedits >http://www.cyberramp.net/~webedits/birdband.html >webedits@cyberramp.net > >> From: Sybil Erden >> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:04:42 -0700 (MST) >> Subject: Re: We're getting another bird >> >> I think bongos and or zylophone.... >> Syb > > Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, Scottsdale, AZ 85271 http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ ------------------------------ From: Sybil Erden Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:48:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Video/was: Ladders?OH SYB..... Nothing of me on the ladder...but I'm sure my husband would oblige... Speaking of video: Spent today with a videographer friend and spent 4 hours shooting video of the Oasis which will be edited down into a 5-10 minute piece. I've done editing before. (Makes me antsy to say the least) but am looking forward to the completed piece none the less. Syb At 01:57 PM 9/20/97 -0600, you wrote: >Syb, do you have a video?? LOL!!! What fun it would be and I bet we could >win some money with Bob Saget!! LOL!! I may just have to try that with the >Cockatoo! :) >Michelle, Zeke and Brak! >At 11:59 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>I just mentioned that when my big guys get out of hand, I climb up a step >>ladder I have in each of the bird rooms, and get taller than them. >>Sometimes I spread my arms/wings and yell a macaw or cockatoo (as >>appropriate) scheek...but usually "the look" calms things down in a hurry >> >> Syb >> >>At 03:52 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>>Valmi Martigny SA wrote: >>>> >>>> >OK, did I delete too much? What is the idea with the Ladders Syb? >>>> >Guess I missed it. Sorry. >>>> >I just noticed after posting my "jealousy" post that there was another >>>> >one on the list. I hope this didn't confuse anyone. >>>> >Cindi >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I think this message is not for us >>>> ????????? >>> WRONGO.GALS .. TWAS FOR ALL, BUT WAS JEST SMALL A SMALL SMURRFY >>>ADDITIVE ABOUT NOISY BIRDS ....DOMINANCE,CONTROL/HEIGHTH/NO SHOLDER >>>PERCHIN..ETC... >>>SYB REPOST PLEASE >>> >>> >>Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, >>Scottsdale, AZ 85271 >>http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ >> >> >> >> > > > Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, Scottsdale, AZ 85271 http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ ------------------------------ From: Sybil Erden Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:52:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: BAD NIGHT/SUPER Mac At 05:34 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:22 PM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>I saw a documentry looooong ago about a parrot whos beak was torn off by >>its mate and the vets fasioned one from (bondo) and ground it to a >>proper shape so the bird could eat. Just wondering about the fumes >>there too. Anyone else remember that ? >>Ta, >>Warlord > >Actually, they use dental acrylics, usually with a supporting wire structure. > >Len - ---Some vets down here DO use fiberglas resins. I too wondered about tha(fumes, toxicity) t since I work with it in my art and the stuff is *nasty*. They also use it for turtles whose shells are damaged (car accidents and such.) Syb Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, Scottsdale, AZ 85271 http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ ------------------------------ From: Jodie Holiday Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:03:59 -0700 Subject: Re: We're getting another bird At 11:36 AM 9/20/97 -0700, Len Zielenski wrote: >At 09:17 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>We have not yet purchased a cage, but are thinking about the largest >>California Cage. It's not as big as Prospero's AE cage, but the store owner >>(who is one of the most knowledgeable bird people I know) says it would be >>big enough, > >Most manufacturers make an "extra deep" cage that is 4-6" deeper than their >standard. Ask for it. > > Also, do we want a cage with a playpen on top or not? > I have the Dometop CA Cage with the extra depth. My blue and gold uses every inch of it. I prefer the dometop for him. Just my preference. Jodie ------------------------------ From: Jodie Holiday Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:11:18 -0700 Subject: Re: flames At 02:10 PM 9/20/97 -0500, Marti Morgan wrote: >Deanna, I hate the flames too, even though I confess to adding a few >comments of my own to the last batch, but hey, you don't have to >yell!!!! Marti > > i must have missed the flames...but then at least if i missed em I must not have participated so i feel better. 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