From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #2025 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Thursday, 2 October 1997 Volume 06 : Number 2025 In this issue: Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. Re: Fw: sick baby U2 Re: Unsubbing Re: Fw: sick baby U2 Re: Fw: sick baby U2 Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. Re: Spanky is a Girl Good news re Bobbin RE: Squash reactions RE: Good news re Bobbin Re: Phoebe Linden Re: To Karen & the list Re: Phoebe Linden From Giovanni to the list See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michelle Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:28:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. Alora, I want some of that stuff that makes you see colors when you rub your eyes! Is it expensive,addictive,legal? Hmmmm and I have deprived my birds of a light show too-must be falling behind in the new "fun" mind altering stuff here. petunia At 05:47 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >My YCM Doesnt do the eye gouging thing but when ever she is happy she likes >to hold her head with one of her claws....Have you ever noticed that when >you rub your eyes hard you see different colors? Do you think that the bird >might be doing that? I mean pushing on her eyes till she see the colors? >Just a thought..... > > > >Alora > > >At 05:00 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >>& Neither he nor other colleagues that he has spoken to has a clue >>about why she does it. Despite all our efforts, we still haven't been >>able to break her of this habit. What I have already done: No staph >>remains, nor any other obvious infection. >> This helped a great deal in removing any residual redness from her >>eyes that might have been causing a cycle of irritation. >> -- Harrison's pellets, fruits, nuts, vegetables, and occasional bits of >>pasta, rice, cooked beans and, rarely, a bit of cheese, or chicken. >> Had an air purifier placed near her cage, to eliminate any dust -- I also >>sift her food, so she doesn't get dust from it. >> No success. >> Speer sighed and said, "Well, so much for my theory about it being an >>allergic reaction." She doesn't seem to be in any particular distress, >>except that I do seem to catch her "twitching" a bit, as if her eye might >>She doesn't seem to be causing herself any physical damage, but just loves >> She does this mostly when she seems to be happiest or most contented, >>occasionally bobbing her head as she does it. Questions: (This is not >>the typical macaw face-rubbing). >> If so, have they caused themselves any harm? >> What was and was not successful? >> (I have tried the obvious discouragements, such as talking to her, >>gently pulling her foot away when she does it, indicating both my >>displeasure and worry -- which usually works with her, but not about this >>problem). If anyone can solve this problem, dinner is on me when you're >>in the S.F Bay Area! Thank you. Michael T. Pachovas >>pachovas@dsp.com >> > > > ------------------------------ From: Michelle Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:32:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Fw: sick baby U2 Steven, I think he meant Swingers list. petunia At 09:27 PM 10/1/97 -0600, you wrote: > >David, > >Duh, I don't get it! > >> === I thought this was a bird list. It seems that I have >> inadvertantly been subscribed to a Swinders list!! >> >> Wooo Hoooo! >> >> >> David B. Gillie >> WESTLAKE * CAPRA * PUIG * BORSHOFF >> Film & Television Partnership, L.L.C. >> Wilmington, North Carolina USA >> paradise@mail2.wilmington.net > > ------------------------------ From: Jodie Holiday Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:45:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Unsubbing At 10:19 PM 10/1/97 +0000, David Gillie wrote: >On 1 Oct 97, Jodie Holiday wrote: > >> At 10:18 AM 10/1/97 -0400, WILLIAM W ALCORN wrote: >> >Don't let other people intimidate you!!!! >> >keep on the list for your bird not some jerk >> > >> > >> > TERESA >> > >> Hey Don't talk about Dave like that!! >> (VBEG) >> >HEY! I'm not just *some* jerk -- I'm THE jerk! >So there! >:-P~~~ > no...steve martin is THE Jerk... you can be a Cool Jerk Jodie ------------------------------ From: "Steven L. Hamby" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:23:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Fw: sick baby U2 Thanks David, I thought that one just went over my head, it happens at my age! Macman ------------------------------ From: "Steven L. Hamby" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:26:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Fw: sick baby U2 I got it (but not till he told me), thanks Petunia. I thought it had slipped right by me, Macman ------------------------------ From: Rhett Roback Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:11:03 +0000 Subject: Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. I have in a way a bird that does the same thing! He(we think) scraches the bare facail patches on his fase and he cut his self a couple of time! Rhett ------------------------------ From: ylorosepro@psnw.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:24:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Eye-Gouging problem: Need feedback, please. PETUNIA - LOL!!!! Cindy >Alora, >I want some of that stuff that makes you see colors when you rub your eyes! >Is it expensive,addictive,legal? Hmmmm and I have deprived my birds of a >light show too-must be falling behind in the new "fun" mind altering stuff >here. >petunia > ------------------------------ From: Sybil Erden Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:31:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Spanky is a Girl Congratulations to both you and Sparky for finding one another. Syb At 05:26 PM 10/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just got off the phone from the vet and all the tests came back negative >and Spanky is a Girl! Spanky has come around alot in the last week >since I rescued her. She will eat from a spoon from me and will take >food from my hands. I am also able to pet her when she wants and I have >even held her. It will be a long road but I have a feeling it will be >well worth it! > >Anne > > > Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, Scottsdale, AZ 85271 http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ ------------------------------ From: tsunami@osha.igs.net Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:53:22 +0000 Subject: Good news re Bobbin Hi All... Had Bobbin to the vet's today for a feather smear. Her weight is UP another 30 grams!!!!!!!! She may look like hell but that is approx 70 grams since she was sick...... I still feel she needs a little more meat on her and was totally blown away when I saw the scale. Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami "If a path has no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ------------------------------ From: "Lori Kaspari" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 03:44:01 UT Subject: RE: Squash reactions LOL!!!!! Mickey is convinced all squash is evil. Lori, Mickey, George & Lacie Lkaspari@classic.msn.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-macaws@newwave.net On Behalf Of Sharon M Loper Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:32 PM To: macaws@newwave.net Subject: Squash reactions So, the local store was having a sale on different squashes. After reading good things about it I decided to pick up a couple different ones. Here is the first days' reactions to this orange thing that was put in the food dish. I cut wedges out of it and each bird got a wedge. I will go around the bird room with my observations Nadia (WCPionus) who loves her food and will come racing down to the bowl to see what has landed. Well, she came racing down. Got on the cage floor next to the bowl and *stretched* her neck up real high looking at this thing in her dish. Went back up to the top of the cage. Did find her later, grabbing the seeds out and eating them. Sequoia (CAG and Alpha Bird) stomped right over to the dish and heaved the squash to the floor of her cage. Could almost see her brushing her little wings hands together as if to say. Take That! Sophie (BE2) races to the dish and immediately picks up the squash and demolishes it. Don't know how much she ate, but she sure had fun. (Today she made squash soup out of it. ) Sammy (YCM) was so scared of it that I don't think he ate very much out of that dish all day. Sigh. Scary thing in the food dish!!!! I have some yellow squash that I am going to try tomorrow. Maybe make squash rings out of it!!?? At least the outside birds eat well around here after I throw the leftover food to them!! Later... Sharon L, Sequoia, Nadia, Sophie, Sammy, & the Lovebirds smloper@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ From: "Lori Kaspari" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 04:22:51 UT Subject: RE: Good news re Bobbin YAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! This is great news!!!!!!! Lori, Mickey, George & Lacie Lkaspari@classic.msn.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-macaws@newwave.net On Behalf Of tsunami@osha.igs.net Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 4:53 PM To: goffins-fanclub@kendaco.telebyte.com; macaws@exoticbird.com Subject: Good news re Bobbin Hi All... Had Bobbin to the vet's today for a feather smear. Her weight is UP another 30 grams!!!!!!!! She may look like hell but that is approx 70 grams since she was sick...... I still feel she needs a little more meat on her and was totally blown away when I saw the scale. Margaret tsunami@osha.igs.net http://www.osha.igs.net/~tsunami "If a path has no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:51:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Phoebe Linden At 09:56 AM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >>From my personal observations, the people I know who tend to have the most >scars also tend to have the least social birds. I am not sure what context >you are using "wild" in (i.e., psittacines are not truly "domesticated" yet >or actually wild-caught). At any rate, many of the scars these people have >come from hand-raised babies. If you think I'm going to rise to the bait, you're in for a disappointment. If you are really curious as to how my birds behave, I can point you to several people that have played with them, but I don't think that is really what you wish. > >Also, while abundance weaning may not be new, there are many breeders who >still have not grasped the concept. Let's just say our opinions differ. >Again, I would really be interested in knowing about the behavioral >problems you mentioned from Phoebe Linden's birds. Sorry to disappoint you (again) but its been at least 3 years since the last one and it wasn't so momentous an occasion that I remember details. I talk to lots of people about lots of birds. To recall one or two in particular from that long ago it would have to be a very unusual circumstance. Len ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:52:38 -0700 Subject: Re: To Karen & the list At 10:43 AM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Very, very true. Now if we can only get Jonathan back. > >Bill >B&G Birds I tried. He's sworn not to return. (Thanks Cann) Len ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:05:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Phoebe Linden At 08:59 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Gotta agree with Len & Syb here. >Birds bite! I have collected more than a few bites...some have left small >scars. Maybe I >mis-read the signals, and that was why I got bit?? Haven't needed to go to >the ER or CentraCare for a bite (yet)...but, it wouldn't suprise me in the >least, if someday, I have to go! The worst bite I can remember came from Michael Landon's scarlet macaw. I was visiting a bird-hotel and he was boarding there. He talked up a storm and I stopped to chat. He put his head down for a scratch so stuck a finger through the bars to accommodate him and BAM. All the way to the bone on my index finger. Completely my fault and now I have a memento to keep the memory fresh. Len ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lenz@earthlink.net lenz32@aol.com lenz@juno.com AKA Evenlen BabyLee(YNA),Gandalf(CAG),Moose(Scarlet),Candy(Caninde),BigGuy (B&G),Rebel(GW),Max(MSC),Booboo(citron),Dug(TAG),Ollie(Patty), Radar(HawkHead),and the breeder greys Ferdinand and Isabella ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: valmi@omedia.ch (Valmi Martigny SA) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:30:51 +0200 Subject: From Giovanni to the list Hello, my internet provider is making some major changes. Since 2 days I couldn't connect to the net. Yersteday I could get the old messages. Now cannot read the new messages . But he told me that I can send. He assure me that your messages will not be lost. I hope everything will be OK tomorrow. By By Giovanni ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V6 #2025 ***************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" in the commands above with "macaws".