From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #440 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Saturday, 2 November 1996 Volume 06 : Number 440 In this issue: Re: WARNING CON ARTIST!!! Re: Introduction and brief cage question Re: More results Re: Talking Re: Hahns Macaw Re: California Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 Re: More results Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 Re: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PetBehavr@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:26:35 -0500 Subject: Re: WARNING CON ARTIST!!! Thank you so much. My family lives in Houston and a friend of mine was just about to buy 2 moluccans from Vernon in Houston and I was going to visit my family and pick them up!!!! You have saved us much heart ache and financial loss. Thank you for caring about unwitting aol members. ------------------------------ From: Julie & Jon Stires Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:33:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Introduction and brief cage question I sent a letter to Bob as well, if you are looking for a great macaw cage, check with Susanne at Avalon Aviary. Her number is 970-663-5004. She sells Arrowhead Aviary cages. They are wonderful, easy to clean, and attractive without danger to the birds. We have two and love them both. Julie ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:04:35 -0800 Subject: Re: More results At 06:48 PM 11/1/96 -0600, Casey Millard wrote: >I have more test results back from the vet. I told him about the >medication for the yeast and he said it was neccessary because they were >hypha and not active yeast. Does this sound right. His blood work came >back that he has low protein and hight potassim. He also has low WBC. >The vet thinks thinks he may have a virus but still does not know what to >do. He wants to do another fecal test. This is the most knowledgeable >vet in town, but I still feel he doesn't know that much. Casey, IMO, go with one of the "less knowledgable" vets. At least they may swallow their pride and ASK someone who knows more. A low WBC indicates a depressed immune system. That's not what I'd expect from a bird that just fought off (is is fighting) a virus. At the very least, if the bird DID have a virus, the "what to do" would be supportive care, including added heat, easily digestible foods, and, possibly, antibiotic therapy to counter secondary infections. Len ************************************************************************** *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar (Hhead ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:35:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Talking At 09:11 AM 10/30/96 -0500, DANIELLE SWANEK wrote: > Hi everybody! > How old were your macaws when they started to do a lot of talking? Of the macaws I've raised, all but one spoke before they weaned. There doesn't seem to be a "too young" for them. I've also had a wild caught B&G that had been "in country" for at least 5 years (imported as an adult) that spoke her first word 2 years after I aquired her and then proceeded to expand her vocabulary rapidly. In other words, its never too late, either. Len ************************************************************************** *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar (Hhead ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:35:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Hahns Macaw At 02:59 PM 10/31/96 -0500, Kitcheybrd@aol.com wrote: >I live in NY also and think $1,000 for a Hahns is too high. I live in Ca and KNOW that's too high...by about 300% Expect $300-350. Len ************************************************************************** *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar (Hhead ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Len Zielenski Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:35:46 -0800 Subject: Re: California At 08:45 AM 10/31/96 -0800, Cardoza, Lonna wrote: >I'm visiting Ontario, California next week, and would like some >suggestions of bird related places to visit. Places where they have >birds, toys or cages would be great. Magnolia Bird Farm in Riverside (on Magnolia Blvd no less) is a HUGE bird store and only about 30 minutes from any part of Ontario. Len ************************************************************************** *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar (Hhead ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:54:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 This is a MIME-encapsulated message - --TAA16723.846986065/flash.net The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:53:27 -0600 (CST) from IntheNet.com [205.228.202.10] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun" 550 ... Can't create output: Error 0 - --TAA16723.846986065/flash.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; flash.net Received-From-MTA: dns; IntheNet.com Arrival-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:53:27 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; wwerhun@flash.net Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:54:25 -0600 (CST) - --TAA16723.846986065/flash.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: macaws@newwave.net Received: from inthenet.inthenet.com (IntheNet.com [205.228.202.10]) by flash.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id TAA16721 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:53:27 -0600 (CST) From: macaws@newwave.net X-AFWD: 13789953 Received: from MHS by inthenet.inthenet.com with MHS id BEAJCFFD ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:10:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:09:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Talking To: wwerhun@flash.net Received: from ns.newwave.net [204.70.211.98] by inthenet.inthenet.com with smtp id BEAJBGAB ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:09:22 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06759 for macaws-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:36:10 -0500 Received: from cyprus.it.earthlink.net (cyprus-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.65]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA06753 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:36:07 -0500 Received: from server (max2-la-ca-16.earthlink.net [206.85.95.16]) by cyprus.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07180; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:36:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961103013550.00687d24@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: lenz@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:35:50 -0800 To: macaws@newwave.net, macaws@newwave.net From: Len Zielenski Subject: Re: Talking Sender: owner-macaws@newwave.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net At 09:11 AM 10/30/96 -0500, DANIELLE SWANEK wrote: > Hi everybody! > How old were your macaws when they started to do a lot of talking? Of the macaws I've raised, all but one spoke before they weaned. There doesn't seem to be a "too young" for them. I've also had a wild caught B&G that had been "in country" for at least 5 years (imported as an adult) that spoke her first word 2 years after I aquired her and then proceeded to expand her vocabulary rapidly. In other words, its never too late, either. Len ************************************************************************** *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar (Hhead ************************************************************************** - --TAA16723.846986065/flash.net-- ------------------------------ From: "racerx" Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:19:43 -0500 Subject: Re: More results Just my 2 cents worth......of course I am involved with human patients but there may be similarities with what happens in birds. Viruses can manipulate the WBC both ways, depending on the virus and the individual. It can be either lower than the normal range, or higher. Bacterial infections usually cause a bump in the WBC, it goes higher. Leighanne He also has low WBC. > >The vet thinks thinks he may have a virus but still does not know what to > >do. > Casey, > > IMO, go with one of the "less knowledgable" vets. At least they may swallow > their pride and ASK someone who knows more. A low WBC indicates a depressed > immune system. That's not what I'd expect from a bird that just fought off > (is is fighting) a virus. At the very least, if the bird DID have a virus, > the "what to do" would be supportive care, including added heat, easily > digestible foods, and, possibly, antibiotic therapy to counter secondary > infections. > > Len > ************************************************************************** > *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), > *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and > *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar > (Hhead > ************************************************************************** > ------------------------------ From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:40:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 This is a MIME-encapsulated message - --VAA27792.846992422/flash.net The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:39:25 -0600 (CST) from defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun" 550 ... Can't create output: Error 0 - --VAA27792.846992422/flash.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; flash.net Received-From-MTA: dns; defiant.flash.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:39:25 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; wwerhun@flash.net Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:40:22 -0600 (CST) - --VAA27792.846992422/flash.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: macaws@newwave.net Received: from defiant (defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9]) by flash.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id VAA27791 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:39:25 -0600 (CST) From: macaws@newwave.net Received: from inthenet.inthenet.com (IntheNet.com [205.228.202.10]) by defiant (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02580 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:26:48 -0600 X-AFWD: 13789953 Received: from MHS by inthenet.inthenet.com with MHS id BFDIBAEG ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:56:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More results To: wwerhun@flash.net Received: from ns.newwave.net [204.70.211.98] by inthenet.inthenet.com with smtp id BFDHDGAN ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:55:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA09279 for macaws-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:22:22 -0500 Received: from nternet.net (root@[206.154.20.3]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA09272 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:22:19 -0500 Received: from gateway-2000 ([206.154.23.120]) by nternet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA09097 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199611030346.WAA09097@nternet.net> From: "racerx" To: Subject: Re: More results Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:19:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-macaws@newwave.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Just my 2 cents worth......of course I am involved with human patients but there may be similarities with what happens in birds. Viruses can manipulate the WBC both ways, depending on the virus and the individual. It can be either lower than the normal range, or higher. Bacterial infections usually cause a bump in the WBC, it goes higher. Leighanne He also has low WBC. > >The vet thinks thinks he may have a virus but still does not know what to > >do. > Casey, > > IMO, go with one of the "less knowledgable" vets. At least they may swallow > their pride and ASK someone who knows more. A low WBC indicates a depressed > immune system. That's not what I'd expect from a bird that just fought off > (is is fighting) a virus. At the very least, if the bird DID have a virus, > the "what to do" would be supportive care, including added heat, easily > digestible foods, and, possibly, antibiotic therapy to counter secondary > infections. > > Len > ************************************************************************** > *lenz@earthlink.net *Gandalf the Grey,Rebel(GW),BigGuy(B&G),Baby(YNA), > *lenz32@aol.com *Maxine(aka Max Elanora), Ollie(Patagonian Conure), and > *lenz@juno.com *the visitors: Booboo, Popeye, Cracker, and Radar > (Hhead > ************************************************************************** > - --VAA27792.846992422/flash.net-- ------------------------------ From: tami Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 20:00:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 uh oh... At 09:40 PM 11/2/96 -0600, you wrote: >The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:39:25 -0600 (CST) >from defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9] > > ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- > (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" >procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" --Tamara "The more I see, the less I know for sure..." - John Lennon /// \\\ //(_)-(_)\\ /// =A6 \\\ /// `-=AA \\\ /// --- \\\ ------------------------------ From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:16:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 This is a MIME-encapsulated message - --WAA01788.846994585/flash.net The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:15:28 -0600 (CST) from defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun" 550 ... Can't create output: Error 0 - --WAA01788.846994585/flash.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; flash.net Received-From-MTA: dns; defiant.flash.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:15:28 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; wwerhun@flash.net Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:16:25 -0600 (CST) - --WAA01788.846994585/flash.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-Path: macaws@newwave.net Received: from defiant (defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9]) by flash.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA01785 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:15:28 -0600 (CST) From: macaws@newwave.net Received: from inthenet.inthenet.com (IntheNet.com [205.228.202.10]) by defiant (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA05083 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:02:52 -0600 X-AFWD: 13789953 Received: from MHS by inthenet.inthenet.com with MHS id BGCAAFBG ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:32:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 To: wwerhun@flash.net Received: from ns.newwave.net [204.70.211.98] by inthenet.inthenet.com with smtp id BGBPCCFF ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:31:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA10033 for macaws-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:59:51 -0500 Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA10028 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:59:49 -0500 Received: from shortppl.mind.net (ip33.mind.net [206.151.158.9]) by one.mind.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA00729 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:59:47 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961104040041.0068b860@mail.mind.net> X-Sender: shortppl@mail.mind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 20:00:41 -0800 To: macaws@newwave.net From: tami Subject: Re: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 Sender: owner-macaws@newwave.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net uh oh... At 09:40 PM 11/2/96 -0600, you wrote: >The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:39:25 -0600 (CST) >from defiant.flash.net [208.194.223.9] > > ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- > (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" >procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" --Tamara "The more I see, the less I know for sure..." - John Lennon /// \\\ //(_)-(_)\\ /// ¦ \\\ /// `-ª \\\ /// --- \\\ - --WAA01788.846994585/flash.net-- ------------------------------ From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:21:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 This is a MIME-encapsulated message - --WAA02318.846994889/flash.net The original message was received at Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:20:31 -0600 (CST) from IntheNet.com [205.228.202.10] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Couldn't create "/home/w/w/wwerhun/.mail" procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/w/w/wwerhun" 550 ... 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