From: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net To: Macaws-Digest@newwave.net Subject: Macaws Digest V6 #955 Reply-To: macaws@newwave.net Errors-To: Macaws-Digest-Owner@newwave.net Precedence: Macaws Digest Thursday, 27 March 1997 Volume 06 : Number 955 In this issue: Re: Hyacinth macaws Re: Does this band # mean anything? Re: Clipping/was Advice on Hahn's Macaw please Re: Does this band # mean anything? Re: Macaws Digest V6 #954 Re: Does this band # mean anything? Re: Clipping/was Advice on Hahn's Macaw please RE: In need of free-flight aviary Re: Does this band # mean anything? We are compiling a REMOVE list for you Re: Does this band # mean anything? Re: Does this band # mean anything? Re: We are compiling a REMOVE list for you Re: Gram scale RE: In need of free-flight aviary See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Macaws or Macaws-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BirdsAreUs@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:42:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Hyacinth macaws Wow, does your mom want more children? I'm up for adoption! Ruth ------------------------------ From: BirdsAreUs@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:51:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? In a message dated 97-03-26 22:44:45 EST, you write: << > >> Do any of you know what this band number means, if anything? It is on the >> band worn by my B&G. The number is NMA 2043. Can I trace the breeder with >> this number? >> >> Dawn > > Dawn that appears to be an import band and not a breeders band. >Breeders can not use 3 letters. Only quarintine stations can. The 1st >letter denotes the state where the station is located. Im not sure but I >think N is for New York. > There is a guy on this list named Bob that knows all about this band >stuff. I know you read this Bob so give her the correct info. > Henry >> Henry, I disagree with your remarks about the bird bands. I myself us 3 letters (PSC), and I know of at least a half dozen more breeder that do. There are no federal rules that control bird banding in this country. Ruth Pumpkinseed Creek Aviary ------------------------------ From: m.gambalie@juno.com (Mark Gambalie) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:53:26 PST Subject: Re: Clipping/was Advice on Hahn's Macaw please >>one cord was chewed in half and still plugged in the wall. I >>looked all over town for a suitable protection... > >How 'bout getting some PVC tubing, the length of the cord, >and threading the cord thru it? I tried something similar, Mary, but it is such a pain to move around long rigid devices when trying to clean. What I was looking for was a metal or heave plastic shield of some kind that would still be flexible (I have 20 ft cords on the fans in the bird room) In the mean time, I've move the fan outside the window, and blowing out instead of using a filter. Only problem is that this won't work come winter... mg ------------------------------ From: m.gambalie@juno.com (Mark Gambalie) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:02:59 PST Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? >Do any of you know what this band number means, if anything? >The number is NMA 2043. Can I trace the breeder... Dawn, you probably can with a little persistence. I would start with L&M leg bands, they keep records on the bands they produce and the breeders that purchased from them. If this is one of their bands, and If the breeder has authorized it with their account, L&M can give you the name and phone number; if not authorized, they can send you an information request form to fill out that will be sent to the breeder, requesting them to contact you. If the band did not come from them, they'll tell you so, and can also give you the names of other band producers to contact. The physical appearance of the band may also help identify where it came from, so look closely. Is it stainless or aluminum, does it have square sides (like cut from a pipe) or round sides (made from wire), any logo or other id's, etc. Henry> Dawn...Breeders can not use 3 letters Only quarantine stations can. Lisa>Henry is the rule you sited a state thing? To answer both, no, L&M will make about anything you ask for, unless there are regulations (like for Co). I know of a former Fl breeder that used 3OA and another that used GEM. mg ------------------------------ From: mmcovault@juno.com (M M Covault) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:10:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Macaws Digest V6 #954 Regarding reporting to the BBB---if someone inquires about a business, I think they are told how many and what type of complaints have been filed against that place (not necessarily the disposition). That would be useful to know, because if a place had lots of complaints filed, you'd be warned to be careful in dealing with them. Marcy Covault + "the bird gang" Feathered Friends MMCovault@juno.com ------------------------------ From: walt kile Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:26:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? AndrewB555@aol.com wrote: > > HI All: > > Thanks for all the info on bands. I was really hoping this one was > traceable. I posted awhile ago about my Blue & Gold. I bought him from a > pet store to get him out of terrible conditions. I know realize the store > lied to me about his age. Supposedly he was not quite 6 months old when I > bought him, but recently an acquantince who breeds macaws saw my Rembrandt, > and said he was not a baby - his eye color should still be dark brown, and > they are a light brownish-grey. Then, a couple of days ago I saw a B&G that > was 6 months old...very big difference in appearance and mannerism from my > macaw, and very dark eyes. Don't get me wrong, Rembrandt has proven to be > very gentle and sweet, well mannered, and a delight to live with. But, I'm > working on reporting the shop to the Better Busines Bureau on the advice of > my vet due to the living conditions, and my macaws health status upon > purchase. My vet feels that bad as his life at the shop was (and still is > for the birds still there!), since my bird didn't have any diseases (thank > goodness) just severe nutritional deficencies (anemic, Vitamin A deficent, > hypocalciuma) going to the Humane Society probably wouldn't accomplish much. > I think he's tried to work with the H.S. in this area before without much > luck. But, my vet feels I could report the shop to the BBB for selling a > (forgive the terminology) inferior product. If I could also prove that they > lied about his age, that would be another valid complaint to file with the > BBB. I know this isn't a very glamorous way to try to get a lousy shop to > change their ways, but a complaint to the BBB will result in a letter being > sent to the shop by the BBB, and maybe it will make them a little nervous > about their practices (somebodys watching...!). > Sorry to go on for so long. > > Dawn It may be worth your while to contact any bird clubs in your area. Sometimes you will find someone (usually another breeder) who will recognize the initials. It may be worth a try, sounds like it would be time well spent. Bonnie Fall Creek, OR ------------------------------ From: Wanda & Bill Elder Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:41:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Clipping/was Advice on Hahn's Macaw please At 09:53 AM 3/27/97 PST, you wrote: >>>one cord was chewed in half and still plugged in the wall. I >>>looked all over town for a suitable protection... >> >>How 'bout getting some PVC tubing, the length of the cord, >>and threading the cord thru it? > >I tried something similar, Mary, but it is such a pain to move around >long rigid devices when trying to clean. What I was looking for was a >metal or heave plastic shield of some kind that would still be flexible >(I have 20 ft cords on the fans in the bird room) > >In the mean time, I've move the fan outside the window, and blowing out >instead of using a filter. Only problem is that this won't work come >winter... > >mg Go to a computer store. They sell flexible, looks like a dryer exhaust hose, tubing to house the many cables and wires. The one that we have on the TV is actually hinged so that you don't have to thread them through. Wanda Elder M.A.P. Accredited - 1990 tnbrdldy@memphisonline.com 901/853-9988 or 901/853-7030 - Fax ------------------------------ From: "Budd, Susan" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:43:19 -0500 Subject: RE: In need of free-flight aviary I'd like to know! (Even though I wasn't the person who posted the request!) Susan >---------- >From: Sybil Erden[SMTP:sybille@primenet.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 1:57 PM >To: macaws@exoticbird.com >Subject: Re: In need of free-flight aviary > >I have a friend who built me two flights for Macaws. He bought very heavy >duty 1/2"X 3 " galvenized weldwire (he orders it from California) and >screwed it securely onty a tubular metal (welded together) frame. They are >4X4X10 feet and are on two foot tall legs. The doorway is 24"X24" also >tubular metal opening and door. The cost was almost $600 each, but about >half of that was his labor. I can find out about the weld-wire, name of >co., where it is, etc. if you want. > > Syb > > >At 09:00 AM 3/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >> >>I am planning to incorporate a free flight area for my Blue and Gold into >>my backyard patio. I am looking for any suggestions, information, >>pictures, etc. We want to do the work ourselves, so we do not want a >>'pre-constructed' aviary, just something that will work for him, >>something that he can be somewhat 'unsupervised' for short time periods. >> Thanks for your comments!! >> >> >Sybil Erden et al, The Oasis Sanctuary Foundation, Ltd., PO Box 3104, >Scottsdale, AZ 85271 >http://www.primenet.com/~sybille/ > >Read about "Life at the Oasis" in Caged Bird Hobbyist > ------------------------------ From: BPrat24977@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? Sounds like you are right on Henry. I'd guess it's an import through NY. Bob ------------------------------ From: delete@netchem.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:25:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: We are compiling a REMOVE list for you Dear Sir/Madam, We are compiling a list of people who hate to receive junk email. We will send you the list periodically. 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To remove your name from the ADD list, please send email to delete@netchem.com. Sincerely, Jerry - ------------------------------------------------- Jerry Wang, PhD, Chemechanics, Inc. http://www.netchem.com, mailto:jerryw@netchem.com - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: BPrat24977@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:18:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? I agree that a three letter band number can be used by anyone. For instance, I use SOA. It would help to know what kind of material the band in question is made from. Quarantine bands are made of round stainless steel, and, of course, are open, or seamed. Bob ------------------------------ From: Henry Kugell Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:45:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Does this band # mean anything? BPrat24977@aol.com wrote: > > Sounds like you are right on Henry. I'd guess it's an import through NY. > > Bob Bob Can you explain the federal law about band numbering? henry ------------------------------ From: Brat Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:49:39 -0800 Subject: Re: We are compiling a REMOVE list for you delete@netchem.com wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, We are compiling a list of people who hate to receive junk email. We will send you the list periodically. Please do not even think about adding the REMOVE list to your mass email list. Almost everyone on the list will find your IP address and will complain to us and to your upstream service providers. To to be eligible to receive the REMOVE list, please send a blank email to add@netchem.com with your email address as the subject. We request a human to receive the REMOVE list. We are working with many Internet service providers to filter junk email by sender's name, sender's domain and sender's IP address. (very easy to do with sendmail). ________________________ Jerry...I don't recognize your name from this mailing list. Please introduce yourself further and tell us some more about your birds!! In the meantime, I will forward this to the listowner. Additionally, please tell us what internet service providers you are dealing with that request your services in "junk mail removal"! I personally do not need to add my name to a NEW list if I want my name removed from any OTHER list. I can handle it myself or contact "policy", "webmaster", or "abuse" at the originating address. B. Zinsmaster ------------------------------ From: Chris Braxmaier Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Gram scale CNGOGRY@aol.com wrote: > > Rick's Bird Supplies sells excellent scales. He usually advertises in Bird > Talk. > He'll ask you all about sizes of your flock and then recommend the best > scale. > # is 414-461-6767. > Diane I have one of his scales and they are very nice. They aren't as expensive as some I've seen either. Also really helpful when you call them. Chis in Mich ------------------------------ From: Sandra Dobbs Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:14:00 -0600 Subject: RE: In need of free-flight aviary At 12:43 PM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to know! (Even though I wasn't the person who posted the >request!) >Susan > Susan, Contact Dave Swelland at 619/789-3572, or visit Swelland's website at http://keyinfo.com/cat/cage&sup/swelland/default.html He carries all galvanized after weld wire, and will cut it to your specifications, make doors, feed stations, manzanita perches to fit, etc. Tell him I sent you (I don't get anything out of it, but it's my way of saying "hi" to him). Sandra Dobbs Blue Skies Aviary http://www.mindspring.com/~bluskies/ mailto:bluskies@mindspring.com visit PARROT CENTRAL http://www.parrotcentral.com/ ------------------------------ End of Macaws Digest V6 #955 **************************** To subscribe to Macaws-Digest, send the command: subscribe macaws-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@newwave.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-birds": subscribe macaws-digest local-birds@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "macaws-digest" in the commands above with "macaws".